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    07-19-2009, 03:06 AM
Angry Whips, Crops, and what do you make of this?

A girl who keeps her horse where I keep mine and who rides with me uses a crop, right?.
Nothing wrong with that but today we were jumping and as her horse is quite young & new to jumping(he's an ex-racer), He kept refusing and several times instead of encoraging him or nudging him, She smacked him very hard with her crop (he had lines where it had come down). I was taking pics and I got one of him looking terrified and her with the whip coming down.
I tried talking to her about it but she ignored me.

Do you guys have any ideas on how to help me out?

And what are your opinions on whips/crops?
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    07-19-2009, 03:28 AM
I have no issue with whips or crops if used correctly. Any aid can be abused though, and used to abuse.

If I saw this happening, I would probably go off. Not that it would help much. I just don't have the right temperment. Im not sure what you could do if you already tried talking to her. How about getting a trainer to talk to her?
    07-19-2009, 03:34 AM
Does the horse belong to her? If so, then you can try to talk to her about it and there is really not much else you can do except maybe take it to the barn manager (if there are rules set in place for abuse). BUT, they might not consider what the girl is doing abuse. There may just be nothing that you can do. :/
    07-19-2009, 03:40 AM
You said there were lines. Are these lines just in the hair, or are they deeper? Is she cutting him. If so then you could go to spca/animal wefare/whatever its called. And take videos if you can. This stuff should always be documented.
    07-19-2009, 04:45 AM
Green Broke
Ahh! That makes me so angry, I ride with a crop and sometimes Chinga needs a tap with the crop. But with jumping I never use it and if I do use it I use it lightly!
    07-19-2009, 08:27 AM
I don't really have anything to add to the advice you've already been given on dealing with the scenario you witnessed. I hope that, whatever happens, that girl sees and understands how (at the very least) counterproductive her actions are, and that things get better.

I have ridden with a crop (not at all on every horse or every time), but I've never had to use any more than a tickle behind my leg to reinforce a "go forward" cue on a duller horse. Leaving lines is just uncalled for, and if you have to reach back and "lay it down," you need to re-evaluate what you're asking for and whether your horse is mentally and physically ready.

Tickle = Go on, you can do it

Whack = Get the heck over that fence or you're going to get it, shoot, you're just going to get it anyway!
    07-19-2009, 03:31 PM
I have had several jumping horses over the years, and except for my TB, I have used a crop on every one of them. I do not believe that it is bad if you need to tap their butt with a little more force sometimes, as I have had a couple horses that really liked to test the rider, and see if they could get away with running out or slamming on the brakes, but I have never left lines, either in the hair, or on the skin. I have noticed that often times, it is the sound alone that wakes up a horse, and gets him/her going nicely, not the actual contact of the crop and their body. I personally would first try to talk to her, suggest some things that you've done when your horse maybe refuses, or balks, and if that doesn't help, and she continues along these lines, get an adult in charge, such as a trainer, the barn manager, ect. And tell them what you've been seeing, and show them any pictures or videos you may have, so they can see that you aren't making things up. Hopefully she stops before she does any serious damage to the horse. Most horses I've ridden have tried to refuse a fence at least once or twice, but if they are just learning, reassuring them, and gently coaxing them, even lowering the fence to help gives them the confidence they need. If they are well trained, and normally don't refuse a fence, then that is when I believe that a harder tap might be necessary, only to put them back in line.
    07-19-2009, 04:38 PM
I have nothing against crops/whips if they are used properly. Apperantly the girl think that beating her horse will solve the problem;but it dosnt. Don't just inore it tho, talk to her about it,.
    07-19-2009, 04:41 PM
Green Broke
^^ She said she already tried that and the girl wouldn't listen.

I'd contact the barn manager and have them take care of it.
    07-19-2009, 04:52 PM
I have no problem with crops or wips, but when someone sits there and smacks there horse over and over just because it wont do something, that makes me mad, especially when its a young horse that is still learning. I would try and talk to the barn manager, if she wont listen to you.

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