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        07-20-2009, 02:16 PM
    A crop or whip should be used as an extention of your hand - not a means to beat your horse. I have never hit a horse any harder than I have hit myself with a whip.
    Talking to her might help - but do so when she's not already cranky from going around with her horse but, don't be surprised if it doesn't do any good.
    It doesn't hurt to try, but if it's her horse, there isn't much you can do - other than snatching the crop from her and belting her with it. But, then you'd get in trouble lol
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        07-20-2009, 02:25 PM
    Originally Posted by .Delete.    
    The barn manager cannot do anything about it either it is her horse. She can do with it what she pleases. And if the barn manager is a business person. Alsong as the girl pays the bill every month im sure they won't have a problem with it. I know if I was a barn manager I would be concerned for the horse yes, possibly mention something to the owner but aslong as they payed the bill I wouldn't interfear. Really, I wouldn't get involved. People don't take kindly to others telling them what to do with their horse.

    I agree to a point. If I were the BO, I would watch her myself. If it really was an abuse situation, I would ask her to leave if she continues treating her horse that way. I wouldnt put up with someone treating an animal like that on my property. I don't care who the animal belongs to. Same as with a person who beats their child. Its there child, but I wouldnt say nothing.
        07-20-2009, 02:32 PM
    Green Broke
    It doesn't sound like she is /beating/ her horse. She is taking punishment a little too far and shouldn't be training a horse like that. Beating a horse I feel is whacking on it rabidly. Smacking a horse hard on the butt with a crop is not beating a horse repeadly whacking a horse with a crop on its butt in a row now that is a different story
        07-20-2009, 02:36 PM
    Originally Posted by .Delete.    
    It doesn't sound like she is /beating/ her horse. She is taking punishment a little too far and shouldn't be training a horse like that. Beating a horse I feel is whacking on it rabidly. Smacking a horse hard on the butt with a crop is not beating a horse repeadly whacking a horse with a crop on its butt in a row now that is a different story

    What if the horse stops responding to the single whacks? She'll do more, and more.
        07-20-2009, 02:49 PM
    Green Broke
    You don't know that. If I felt that a person in my barn was treating a horse poorly I would ask them to leave certainly. But I don't think she is. She is punishing too harshly and needs to be easier on the horse, but I don't think she is beating it. I would mention something but its her horse, you cannot do anything about it but ask her to leave. Alot of people are like that to their horses, and we just have to deal with it, because its not going to change no matter how many people cry about it. Its /their/ horse. They can get it taken away from them if they are really treating it horribly. But in this case it just sounds like bad training.
        07-20-2009, 10:22 PM
    I use whips, crops, handy sticks, and blunt ended spurs; but I only use these if I think they are necessary for the horse I am working with at a given time; I try to work with as little 'aids' as possible.

    The situation at hand, however...I'm not sure what the OP can do, aside from try to talk to the rider about how to use the crop in order to help the horse; what the rider should be doing is teaching the horse to respond to the crop as a part of 'increasing pressure, starting with 'kissing' then a, squeeze, kick, then the crop as a last resort. But NOT as "THE" resort to getting the horse to do what she is asking.
        07-21-2009, 01:49 AM
    We also do not know what "lines" mean. I would like to know this, as it would clear a few things up.
        07-21-2009, 11:13 AM
    Green Broke
    I highly doubt she cut him. I have whacked on my horses but a few times and left lines in his fur, because he was being naughty. It would take quite alot to actually cut a horse with a whip. Expecially when your ontop of the horse learning forward trying to the the horse over a jump. She probably left marks in his fur. Which again, bad training. But if the horse was doing something very naughty just because there would be lines in the horses fur from the whip doesn't mean that it was beatin.
        07-21-2009, 11:33 AM
    Green Broke
    ^^ The OP already said the horse was NOT 'naughty'.
        07-21-2009, 04:36 PM
    The horse was refusing, that is being "naughty", maybe the OP has never ridden a horse that stops. If a horse stops with me and I set them up right, the fence height was appropriate, the horse is sound, I will immediately give them a good wack or two for stopping at a fence. You need to make it clear to the horse that stopping before a fence is the one big no no that you won't tolerate. Expecting a horse to try is not asking to much. I also think the lines were the result of a sweaty coat, not cuts or welts. If the lines became raised and inflamed then they were being abusive. By insisting your horse is not allowed to stop, you eliminate the debate, that way if the jump looks different, moves, becomes a gate or box, has flowers, the one thing your horse has learned not to argue about whether or not they should jump it. Perhaps the OP has only ridden point and shoot horses and doesn't understand that it takes schooling them to make horses that way.

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