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post #31 of 38 Old 07-21-2009, 04:50 PM
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It seems to me like she may be using the crop a bit further than she should. I think you should talk to her about it again, & maybe explain to her how it can properly be used. & that there are other ways she can handle the situation, rather than hitting him with it. ;)

I use a crop sometimes. Not on Daytona though, 'cause she doesn't need one. But this one horse I sometimes ride, Ariel, needs it. I just use it as a training aid. It shouldn't be used to the extreme, or used in an abusive way. A crop can only do so much, she should maybe use her seat a bit more.

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post #32 of 38 Old 07-21-2009, 08:57 PM
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Lines from a whip can also appear if the horse is really dirty; my Appy who is pretty much white, will get 'lines' even from a light tap, because of the dirt under his coat that no amount of brushing removes! After a ride, and I've hosed him down, he wouldn't get them, but before...depending on how much he's been taking 'dust baths', he may get a line from the crop or even if I have to fling the rope at his haunch to get him moving out on the longe.

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post #33 of 38 Old 07-24-2009, 01:25 PM
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Whacking a horse hard constantly with a whip is self defeating. Eventually the horse will turn not only on the offending rider but worse perhaps on all riders. Sad. The woman has to see she is adopting the wrong policy. She is using the whip out of anger not as a communication aid.
It is an undeniable fact that some folks don't have the right attitude to own a horse,a scenario which you will meet with time and time again.

Try videoing the rider in action and then show it to her. Maybe if she sees herself as others see her she will change her methods.
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post #34 of 38 Old 07-24-2009, 01:32 PM
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I have no problem with whips/crops or spurs being used - as long as they are used properly. They are simply an aid for the rider, not something to abuse the horse with. I ride a new cob thats pretty much lazy and dead to the leg, I ride him with a schooling whip, and by giving him a tap on the bum with it, he goes perfect. I think they are fine, as long as they do not cause damage.

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post #35 of 38 Old 09-16-2009, 01:32 PM
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Hi, i would actually say the same as wipple said ,i would defo have to walk off because if i see that i wouldnt be responsible for my actions, i have nothing against using crops, i dont use one myself,but a animal should never be hit it will only make the horse more nervous and it is just not right. I would confront her about it if she didnt listen and did it again i would go to rspca because it is cruelty to animals especially if the horse is being cut !!

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post #36 of 38 Old 09-16-2009, 03:45 PM
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Pherhaps she hasn't actually noticed, its easy for some people to lose their temper with a horse, not an excuse for her but point out the whip marks to her. about a month ago my mare refused a jump she shouldn't of so i gave her a whip, i RARELY use the whip, although i ride with it always just in case i really need it. However it did leave a whip mark on the hair (didn't cut into her or i think i would never use a crop/whip again) i hadn't realised i had been that harsh and in fact the two people on the ground told me i hadn't actually hit her that hard however a whip mark was left, i was really upset when i saw what i had done, ever since then i have been VERY careful with my crop.

I don't now the girl or how she feels about her horse but if she is the type like many horsy people that love their horses to death perhaps she got in a temper and honestly didn't realise how hard she hit the horse. So please before any radical action is taken like calling the rspca just show her the whip marks and point out how unfair she is being. I am not excusing her but i would be so upset if people thought i was being cruel to my horse from the one off time my horse got a whip mark :( (it was a complete accident btw, please dont judge from this one off thing, i do not abuse the whip and do not lose my temper)
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post #37 of 38 Old 09-17-2009, 03:25 AM
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Hi ye that is a fair enough comment. i love my horses and when i ride them they do play up and i do lose my temper. giving the horse a tap on the backside is fine but a hard crack with a whip is not it will only make the horse frightened the next time u go over a jump. i had a man come over from america his name is john moore he done some ground work with my horse and he tought me that disipling is all in voice commands your horse shouldnt see you as a bully. but every one makes mistakes and no people shouldnt be judged on here and like i said the rspa should only be called if the horse is being cut.

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post #38 of 38 Old 09-17-2009, 07:25 PM
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I do not think she actually made cuts in her horse, but that still doesn't make her behavior acceptable, especially since her horse is off the track. I personally only carry a crop with me if i am riding a lazy horse and I rarely actually ever use it. Most of the time I just either swish it around in the air or I smack it againt my leg to make the sound. If that doesn't work then I give my horse a whack, but not excesivly and not harder than I hit myself. I think that if you see her doing this to her horse again then you should talk to her, but besides that, there's not much else you can do. She isn't your horse and she isn't the manager of the stable's horse either. Best of luck!
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