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        06-03-2014, 08:16 PM
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    Originally Posted by horsecv    
    Wow, all of this information has basically just rocked my world.

    Does all this information also apply to jumpers? (where you jump a series of obstacles under a certain amount of time, with the least amount of faults, and then there is a jumpoff).

    This information is rocking my world because in my lessons all we do is jump, we've never addressed any sort of dressage fundamentals.
    Dressage is more important to jumpers than many think. The ability of a horse to engage their haunch in an INSTANT and power from behind, the ability to go at speed around an incredibly tight turn and still keep their balance and engagement, the ability to adjust their stride to whatever INCHES you need to adjust by are ALL improved through careful dressage training.

    My jumpers only jumped lowish obstacles once a week, if that. They only jumped BIG jumps once or twice a month. The rest of the time was flat work flat work flat work!!!
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        06-04-2014, 10:19 AM
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    I don't think this is true anymore. I see plenty of national-level show jumpers going around a course completely hollow and rushing all their fences. Yet they still manage to compete at that level. Doing dressage might be better for the horse in the long run, but it's not necessary to win like we've always been told.
    You will see that - but these horses rarely reach full potential or have erratic performance records and usually have a career that's full of soundness issues - especially back problems - that result in a lot of time off or shortened competitive life
    I watched a top level class last year and it was easy to see which riders used basic dressage as a foundation and which didn't - they were the ones at the top of the winners list and performed fluidly and made it all look so easy. Beezie Madden was the only rider who had the forethought to bring her horse around at the first fence from a direction that put it on the right leg though - that's something a pony club member should be aware of because little things like that help keep the horse on a more balanced stride
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        06-04-2014, 05:22 PM
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    You will see that - but these horses rarely reach full potential or have erratic performance records and usually have a career that's full of soundness issues - especially back problems - that result in a lot of time off or shortened competitive life
    I watched a top level class last year and it was easy to see which riders used basic dressage as a foundation and which didn't - they were the ones at the top of the winners list and performed fluidly and made it all look so easy. Beezie Madden was the only rider who had the forethought to bring her horse around at the first fence from a direction that put it on the right leg though - that's something a pony club member should be aware of because little things like that help keep the horse on a more balanced stride

    Agreed. Go to a big show and watch the warm up ring. I guarantee all the top riders- Beezie Madden, McLain Ward, Ian Miller, etc etc aren't just bopping along around on the rail on a loose rein. In fact, I've spent quite a bit of time with Beezie and I can tell you her entire warm up/hacking routine for just about every horse: walk on a loose rein for at least 5-10 min, shorten and ride on contact for 5 min, trot with a little contact, collected trot, shoulder in, haunches in, collected canter, maybe some shoulder fore at the canter, maybe some counter canter, then she's either done or jumps. Her green horses, veteren horses, all get ridden the same way. Dressage dressage dressage. I don't agree with the phrase "Puissance is basically dressage" because I think their end goals are different but I do agree with the idea that you will never have a rideable, successful jumping horses without dressage.
         
        06-04-2014, 05:24 PM
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    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    I don't think this is true anymore. I see plenty of national-level show jumpers going around a course completely hollow and rushing all their fences. Yet they still manage to compete at that level. Doing dressage might be better for the horse in the long run, but it's not necessary to win like we've always been told.

    I'm just curious... What riders and which horses are you talking about? From what I always hear showjumping has never been so technical or difficult making dressage more necessary than ever.
         
        06-12-2014, 12:40 AM
      #25
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    I basically do dressage with my boy, and like others said I jump him to keep him in practise. Dressage is F you N D A M E N T A L. No matter how high you jump, dressage should be what you land on. (Pun intended.) Getting a new trainer is probably the best choice.
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