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    01-07-2014, 10:53 AM
  #11
Foal
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Originally Posted by Zexious    
Firstly, a crop shouldn't be used on the shoulder. Just as a brief aside. XD

Anyway, it sounds to me like the only thing that is going to fix this problem is time. Are you a Dressage rider? Or?
Perhaps you could work on the lunge line some, so you could focus solely on the whip and keeping it steady, until you've got the hang of it. Maybe you could ask your trainer for some pointers, too?
if I am riding with a crop I barely use it, I just hold it as a threat, but if I have to I tap his shoulder otherwise, the crop is TOO short for me to whack him behind my leg, I'm a taller than average, and by the time I would go to reach behind my leg with a crop, my reins are a mess, and he's already on a different train of thought, I am not going to wallop my horse after five minutes of trying to tap him behind my leg with half an arms length crop, that's ridiculous
     
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    01-07-2014, 11:02 AM
  #12
Green Broke
^Firstly, I never said "wallop".

Secondly, that sounds like a hole in /your/ training. You should be able to reach back, and use a crop where it is supposed to be used, when it is supposed to be used.

Perhaps, you should start there.
     
    01-07-2014, 12:17 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by Zexious    
^Firstly, I never said "wallop".

Secondly, that sounds like a hole in /your/ training. You should be able to reach back, and use a crop where it is supposed to be used, when it is supposed to be used.

Perhaps, you should start there.
Sorry I didn't mean wallop literally, just a figure of speech (How I talk). I forget everyone takes things too literally in posts when I'm trying to explain something. I'm just frustrated because I'm looking for advice on how to correct myself, not to insult me and not even explain how you feel I am not using a crop right.
     
    01-07-2014, 12:47 PM
  #14
Green Broke
^I guess you missed the part where I was giving you advice? I'm not trying to be mean, rude (and I don't think my posts appear that way), or condescending.

I'll repeat it anyway. XD

Perhaps request a lesson (or half a lesson, or ten minutes, or whatever you need to get the job done) on a lunge line. Even the best riders occasionally take lunge line lessons.
This way you can put all of your focus onto holding the whip (or crop), and using it properly.
     
    01-07-2014, 12:51 PM
  #15
Showing
The longer dressage ships have a ferrule at the top end about the size of a silver dollar. This make sit easy to hold onto and won't slip through. A turn of the hand and the whip will touch behind your leg.
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    01-07-2014, 01:07 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by Zexious    
Firstly, a crop shouldn't be used on the shoulder. Just as a brief aside. XD
I just want to say that this isn't true. It all depends on the use. A crop or whip is simply an extension of your body. Just as putting leg pressure in front of, at, and behind the girth has different meanings, so does using the crop/whip on the shoulder, behind the leg, at the ribs, on the stifle, etc.
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    01-07-2014, 01:16 PM
  #17
Green Broke
^Your words confuse me. I recognize outside aids as an extension of your body, be it a crop, whip, spurs, or any other aid. Since we're both on the same page there, when do you ever apply pressure to the horse's shoulder in the saddle? I am familiar with using a crop at different places /behind/ your leg, but never in front of.

If this is the case, it's never something I have heard of. I was allowed to use the crop on the shoulder when I was a more novice rider, probably for the reasons that OP is mentioning. Causing the reins to get messy, or maybe a balance issue. But as I progressed I was told by my trainers that that was never acceptable, and was just lazy. I'd like to hear your thoughts, SEA.
     
    01-07-2014, 09:12 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by Zexious    
^Your words confuse me. I recognize outside aids as an extension of your body, be it a crop, whip, spurs, or any other aid. Since we're both on the same page there, when do you ever apply pressure to the horse's shoulder in the saddle? I am familiar with using a crop at different places /behind/ your leg, but never in front of.

If this is the case, it's never something I have heard of. I was allowed to use the crop on the shoulder when I was a more novice rider, probably for the reasons that OP is mentioning. Causing the reins to get messy, or maybe a balance issue. But as I progressed I was told by my trainers that that was never acceptable, and was just lazy. I'd like to hear your thoughts, SEA.
It's a great tool to use almost anywhere on a green horse. This assumes that the horse isn't terrified of them, of course. Mine isn't and never has. He's always respected it from the start.

It's a good tool to teach body awareness, discipline for improper behavior, encourage motion, etc. I've used it many times when my horse decides to get pushy with his shoulders/front end or blow through my legs with them. I've also used it for body awareness in his front half to help set tempo and distract from "thinking" and regain his focus. I've used it to tap his rib cage to help him bring it back where it belongs and help him straighten himself out. I can give you more examples of you like.

Simply using the crop/whip anywhere on the body can be lazy. It's the intent that makes the difference. My 8 year old daughter uses a crop in her lessons because the pony she rides tries to take advantage. She does get lazy and relies only on the crop (behind her leg always) to make the pony go and needs a reminder not to do that. She still uses it behind her leg, is that less lazy than me reminding my horse not to use his shoulder incorrectly in front of my leg?

My point is that it's about the intent, the use.
     
    01-07-2014, 09:22 PM
  #19
Green Broke
^I'm afraid I'm still in disagreement. I have never encountered a need to smack a horse on the shoulder with a crop where it was "correct".
You gave good examples, and if that works for you, then awesome.

However, this I didn't get from the post that this is a green horse, only a rider who seems confused about usage/handling.
     
    01-07-2014, 09:59 PM
  #20
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Zexious, I didn't say that the OP is riding a green horse not did I think it at any point. Only that your statement wasn't entirely correct. I simply responded to your question. I don't expect that you would have the same experiences since I disagreed with your first statement.

For the OP, it always helped me in the early years to hold the whip/crop between my ring and pinky fingers or my middle and ring fingers. Then, you can still hold the whip/crop and keep your thumb, index, and middle fingers on the rein. Wearing gloves may help you, too.
     

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