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    01-10-2010, 12:10 PM
  #1
Foal
Assorted Eventing Questions

Iíve been around horses since I was about 6 (Iím 18 now) and I took dressage and jumping lessons until I was about 12. I used to own my own horse, but school tuition had to take precedence so I had to say goodbye to darling Skittles and riding lessons. Now I work for/am on the board of a therapeutic riding program. I ride our therapy horses and every once in a blue moon ride them in a schooling show. Iíll be in college next year and plan to be on the riding team so Iíll be back into serious competition. Eventually, Iíd like to get into eventing (and when that time comes I'll get a proper eventing coach and whatnot), so Iíve been trying to educate myself on all things eventing. The internet and books are good for a majority of information, but there are just some questions which I can't seem to find the answers to (or rather, the answers are out there screaming ďCLICK HERE STUPID!Ē and I just havenít seen them yet).
Some of these questions are going to sound a bit silly, but I can only learn by asking, right? Try not to laugh too hard at my ignorance ;]

Are XC colors necessary? (Not saying I donít want them, but just out of curiosity are you required to have your own colors? Are you required to register those colors at events?)

Are Tipperarys proper vests for XC?

Are field boots necessary for XC? Or can I wear paddock boots and half chaps? Are just paddock boots okay?

Do you use boots on your horse? What sort? (The therapy horses I work with never have any need for boots- we do mostly dressage, trail riding, and occasionally school some low jumps so the world of boots is foreign to me- Iíve discovered thereís a dizzying amount of different sorts of boots on the marketÖ) What sort of boots do most eventing horses wear?

Are you allowed to have a color coordinated browband? (Iím not talking anything excessively *blingy* like a diamante browband, Iím thinking more along the lines of a browband wrapped in ribbon to match our colors)

Is the A,B,C,D format still in use? (I canít find a source thatís clear on this matter) Whatís that like compared to events which are ďjustĒ cross country? What are the individual phases like?

Do I wear a vest during the stadium phase?

I know Prelim and CCI* are equivalents to each other, but is there a difference between events advertised as ďPreliminaryĒ and FEI sanctioned ďCCI*Ē events? Once Iím qualified to compete Prelim, am I automatically qualified to compete CCI*?

(Stupid Question Alert!) Does eventing go all year round? I mean, obviously in the winter (Iím in Illinois, in the suburbs of Chicago, so we have a pretty substantial winter) you can go south but what Iím really asking is does eventing go all seasons? Is there winter eventing? (That just sounds dangerous...)

How many times per year do most people event? Whatís the average most (fit and sound) horses can handle without putting excess strain on them? (I donít plan on doing an intense amount of eventing because I have plenty of other things I want us to try, but I am curious.)

What are the entry fees and other fees like? How much could one expect to pay in fees alone for a given event?

What is the difference between ďTrialsĒ and ďEventsĒ?

Are you a member of the USEA, USEF, USDF, USHJA, or FEI? (wow thatís a lot of acronyms in one sentence!) All of them? Just one? Which ones are required for most events? Which ones do you recommend joining?

What levels of dressage coincide with the levels of eventing?

What are the real differences between levels? How much of a difference is there on the strain of the horse? Is there a big leap between each or is it a pretty smooth transition?

Whats the real difference between CIC and CCI? Is CIC* the equavilent of prelim like CCI* is?

At what level in eventing would I need dress boots instead of field boots for dressage?

SaddleTite- do you use it? Does it ruin the seat of your saddle?


Thanks for taking the time to answer!
~Ashleigh
     
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    01-10-2010, 12:41 PM
  #2
Green Broke
My answers are bolded :)

Are XC colors necessary? (Not saying I don’t want them, but just out of curiosity are you required to have your own colors? Are you required to register those colors at events?)

Absolutely not. Many upper level eventers actually prefer not to have color coordination. If you do want colors, pick something simple. Bright colors are obnoxious! No, you do not have to register colors. Just show up with them!

Are Tipperarys proper vests for XC?

Even though I have one, I'm going to have to say no on this one. They are not ASTM certified and are found to be one of the least protective vests available. You can wear them and they are legal, but not great. I would suggest a Flex-Rider, Rodney Powell, or Charles Owen.

Are field boots necessary for XC? Or can I wear paddock boots and half chaps? Are just paddock boots okay?

Most people prefer to wear at least dress boots (dressage boots) for XC because when you go through water, half chaps tend to slip. They passed a rule a couple of years ago to where you can where half chaps, but they are not recommended. You may not wear just paddock boots unless you are a child and have jod straps.

Do you use boots on your horse? What sort? (The therapy horses I work with never have any need for boots- we do mostly dressage, trail riding, and occasionally school some low jumps so the world of boots is foreign to me- I’ve discovered there’s a dizzying amount of different sorts of boots on the market…) What sort of boots do most eventing horses wear?

You must use boots at least on XC. It's not a rule, but it's the safest thing to do. I love my Woof Boots. They are very protective and last forever. If you are looking to spend a bit more money, N.E.W's, Nunn Finer's and Sabres are really nice. Many upper level riders use Woofs.

Boots aren't necessary for showjumping but is usually recommended.

Are you allowed to have a color coordinated browband? (I’m not talking anything excessively *blingy* like a diamante browband, I’m thinking more along the lines of a browband wrapped in ribbon to match our colors)

Yes, you are. Most people don't wear them in the dressage arena if they have excessive color on them but they are always fun for XC. I use a brass one that is sort of "blingy" for dressage and you'll find that it's kind of the norm.

Is the A,B,C,D format still in use? (I can’t find a source that’s clear on this matter) What’s that like compared to events which are “just” cross country? What are the individual phases like?

No. They have changed to the short format for eventing which is just Dressage, XC, and Stadium. The ABCD format is still used in Novice and Training 3 Day events but those are specific competitions that need to be prepared for separately. At all the other events, it's just the 3 phase

Do I wear a vest during the stadium phase?

you do not have to, but they have made a rule to where you can if you want. If you feel more confident in it, then by all means put it over (or under if you can fit it) your jacket.

I know Prelim and CCI* are equivalents to each other, but is there a difference between events advertised as “Preliminary” and FEI sanctioned “CCI*” events? Once I’m qualified to compete Prelim, am I automatically qualified to compete CCI*?

I don't know much about this as I have only competed Novice and schooled up to Prelim, but Prelim and CCI* aren't exactly the same. Yes, the jumps are the same height, but there are more requirements for CCI* and above, such as inspections. You must complete a certain number of Prelim events before qualifying for a CCI* and you have to have under a certain number of penalties on XC

(Stupid Question Alert!) Does eventing go all year round? I mean, obviously in the winter (I’m in Illinois, in the suburbs of Chicago, so we have a pretty substantial winter) you can go south but what I’m really asking is does eventing go all seasons? Is there winter eventing? (That just sounds dangerous...)

Yes. Most places do not offer all year because of the weather. However, Florida and Georgia are the meccas of winter eventing. The Ocala series at the FL horse park and the Rocking Horse series are in FL, and Pine Top series and Sporting Days series are in GA.

How many times per year do most people event? What’s the average most (fit and sound) horses can handle without putting excess strain on them? (I don’t plan on doing an intense amount of eventing because I have plenty of other things I want us to try, but I am curious.)

Depends on the money, level, and horse. Some horses are competed nearly every weekend while horses like mine (because of training and money) are competed a few times a year, if that.Most professionals ride 5-10 horses at an event every weekend

What are the entry fees and other fees like? How much could one expect to pay in fees alone for a given event?

Again, depends on the event. Usually entry fees are somewhere around 200 something plus stabling and other fees it comes out to about 500. Depends on whether you stable on grounds, need to hire a trailer, and stuff like that.

What is the difference between “Trials” and “Events”?

There is no difference. People either call them Horse Trials or Events. Mostly advertised as Horse Trials. The only time they are advertised as events is when they are 3-day events. Horse Trials are 2 days.

Are you a member of the USEA, USEF, USDF, USHJA, or FEI? (wow that’s a lot of acronyms in one sentence!) All of them? Just one? Which ones are required for most events? Which ones do you recommend joining?

I am a member of the USEA and USEF. You are not required to join USEA if you are competing Beginner Novice. But it's good to keep track of points and penalties as they have an online database with you and the horse's record. However, if you are competing Novice and above, you must be a member of the USEA. I was a member of the USDF for a while ,but since I don't compete dressage I decided to discontinue that membership

What levels of dressage coincide with the levels of eventing?

Not sure exactly. Training levels are more like Beginner Novice and Novice. Beyond that, IDK.

What are the real differences between levels? How much of a difference is there on the strain of the horse? Is there a big leap between each or is it a pretty smooth transition?

The higher you go, the more strain it is on the horse and the more training is reqired. There isn't a huge leap between BN and Novice but there is a huge leap between Novice and Training and Training and Prelim. Beyond that, IDK.

Here are the official heights as recorded by the USEA:

  • Beginner Novice: X-C fences: 2 ft 7 in (0.79 m), 14-18 efforts XC, ditch 4 ft (1.2 m), drops 3 ft 3 in (0.99 m), 300–350 m/min (meters per minute) on cross country; Stadium fences: 2 ft 7 in (0.79 m), 9-11 efforts.
  • Novice: X-C fences 2 ft 11 in (0.89 m), 16-20 efforts, ditch 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m), drops 3 ft 11 in (1.19 m), 350 to 400 m/min; Stadium fences 2 ft 11 in (0.89 m), 9-11 efforts.
  • Training: X-C fences 3 ft 3 in (0.99 m), 20-24 efforts, ditch 7 ft 11 in (2.41 m), drops 4 ft 7 in (1.40 m), 420 to 470 m/min; Stadium fences 3 ft 3 in (0.99 m), 10-12 efforts.
  • Preliminary: X-C fences 3 ft 7 in (1.09 m), 24-28 efforts, ditch 9 ft 2 in (2.79 m), drops 5 ft 3 in (1.60 m), 520 m/min; Stadium fences 3 ft 7 in (1.09 m), 11-13 efforts.
  • Intermediate: X-C fences 3 ft 9 in (1.14 m), 28-32 efforts, ditch 10 ft 6 in (3.20 m), drops 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m), 550 m/min; Stadium fences 3 ft 11 in (1.19 m), 12-14 efforts.
  • Advanced: X-C fences 3 ft 11 in (1.19 m), 32-40 efforts, ditch 11 ft 10 in (3.61 m), drps 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m), 570 m/min; Stadium fences 4 ft 1 in (1.24 m), 13-15 efforts.


Whats the real difference between CIC and CCI? Is CIC* the equavilent of prelim like CCI* is?

  • CCI : International Three-day event (Concours Complet International)
  • CIC: International One-day event (Concours International Combinť)
  • CCIO: International Team Competitions (Concours Complet International Officiel). Includes the Olympics, the World Championships, the Pan Am Games, and other continental championships


At what level in eventing would I need dress boots instead of field boots for dressage?

It's only when you get into like CCI* and above that you need dress boots.

SaddleTite- do you use it? Does it ruin the seat of your saddle?

I have used it. I didn't see much of a difference but it is designed more for your legs, not your seat. If you put it on your seat you wouldn't be able to jump effectively. It is designed not to ruin the saddle



If you have any more questions, feel free to ask!
     
    01-10-2010, 12:50 PM
  #3
Foal
Great answers!
I read through it all and can't even find much that was left out. Good job.
     
    01-10-2010, 12:51 PM
  #4
Green Broke
Oh and one more thing... you must wear a medical armband during the XC and stadium phases. This tells all your personal medical info just in case you are unconscious and not able to tell medical professionals the info. It is available through Bit of Britain or the USEA website. It's a card that goes in a little holder that has an elastic band that you put around your arm. If you don't have it, you will be disqualified.

The entirety of the USEA rulebook is online on USEA - United States Eventing Association (Eventing, Combined Training, Three Day Event, Horse Triathlon, Equestrian Sport) if you are curious about more rules!
     
    01-10-2010, 01:03 PM
  #5
Foal
Thanks so much! You answered just about everything!

I do have one more question though: When you school XC, what do you do? I've seen a lot of differentiating opinions on this. Do you go out and school an entire course often to get prepared (ex: schooling an entire training level course once a week or more) or do you do fitness training, maybe school a whole course once and just work on particular jumps so the XC phase is a bit "fresher" to your horse and not so expected and unimpressive? (Similar to the way barrel racers don't constantly run the barrel pattern because it bores their horses).

~Ashleigh
     
    01-10-2010, 02:11 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Usually, when you school XC, you go around with a trainer jump-by-jump and school each one on the course (at your level) a couple of times as well as some bigger ones if you are ready (as determined by your trainer). They'll usually have a warm up that is much like a hack. It will take a few hours depending on how many horses are in your group or if you are alone. Sometimes if the pair is more experienced or they are getting ready for competition, they will go out cold turkey and do the whole course first, then come back and school the ones that are riding funky. Most don't want to do the whole course at the end because the horse is tired.

Most people, unless they live on a farm with a XC course don't school XC more than maybe once a month. Especially if your horse is competing you don't want to school them and then take them to a competition the next day because XC is very tiring (though I have done this before with green horses where my local horse park will have a XC schooling on a Saturday and a one day event, which is all 3 phases in the span of a couple of hours, on a Sunday. One day events are a great practice for recognized competition and are wayyyy cheaper)

And no problem! I love helping out fledgling eventers. I was one once and really appreciated the help. I have found that eventers as a group are the most friendly in all horse disciplines. It's great knowing that if you forget a girth, bit, boots or some other item at home, there is usually someone there who can help you out and is actually willing to. I <3 eventers!
     
    01-10-2010, 04:21 PM
  #7
Weanling
Are XC colors necessary? Not saying I donít want them, but just out of curiosity are you required to have your own colors? Are you required to register those colors at events? No. They are not required. I am 17 and when I first started eventing I was 11 and insisted on having as much hot pink as possible, now I don't really use colors. If I do its not much. Maybe a blue saddle pad, but I usually wear black or white shirt and my horses' boots are black.

Are Tipperarys proper vests for XC? I have one, and I love it, but they are not very suitable for eventing. I just recently found out they were not rated and got a new one. They are so expensive anyway that I would not waste money on something that is not rated. One day they may even be illegal for cross country.

Are field boots necessary for XC? Or can I wear paddock boots and half chaps? Are just paddock boots okay? Tall boots (either dress or field) really should be worn. Even if they are just cheap rubber ones. Just paddock boots are not allowed unless you are a kid, and half chaps are not permitted at USEA rated shows.

Do you use boots on your horse? What sort? What sort of boots do most eventing horses wear? I always use boots when I jump. They aren't required, but they are a good thing to have. I really suggest Woof boots. They aren't too expensive and hold up well. Alot of eventers use them.

Are you allowed to have a color coordinated browband? (Iím not talking anything excessively *blingy* like a diamante browband, Iím thinking more along the lines of a browband wrapped in ribbon to match our colors) I wouldn't reccommend a brow band wrapped in ribbon for dressage, but for XC that is definitely allowed. Browbands with colored stones or beads would be fine for dreassage though. My dressage bridle has small dark blue swavarski crystals in it.

Is the A,B,C,D format still in use? (I canít find a source thatís clear on this matter) Whatís that like compared to events which are ďjustĒ cross country? What are the individual phases like? Nope, events are just dressage, stadium and cross country now.

Do I wear a vest during the stadium phase? You don't have to but you can

I know Prelim and CCI* are equivalents to each other, but is there a difference between events advertised as ďPreliminaryĒ and FEI sanctioned ďCCI*Ē events? Once Iím qualified to compete Prelim, am I automatically qualified to compete CCI*? Prelim and CCIs are not the same thing even though they are the same height. You don't have to qualify to compete at Prelim, anyone can do it if they want to. You have to compete in so many prelim events and can only get so many points at prelim level to qualify for CCI*

(Stupid Question Alert!) Does eventing go all year round? I mean, obviously in the winter (Iím in Illinois, in the suburbs of Chicago, so we have a pretty substantial winter) you can go south but what Iím really asking is does eventing go all seasons? Is there winter eventing? (That just sounds dangerous...) I live in aiken south carolina and our biggest eventing season starts now. February to May, there is one almost every weekend. We don't really have alot of events in December, January, June, and July, but there are some. Some people down here go up north during the summer months to event. And people up north come down here for the winter months. So it really depends where you live I guess.

How many times per year do most people event? Whatís the average most (fit and sound) horses can handle without putting excess strain on them? (I donít plan on doing an intense amount of eventing because I have plenty of other things I want us to try, but I am curious.) I compete on average once or twice a month. Some people go every weekend, but I think that is asking alot of the horse, especially at the higher levels.

What are the entry fees and other fees like? How much could one expect to pay in fees alone for a given event? Depends on the show. For a USEA recognized event it could be around 200 to 400 depending on if you stable there or not. Schooling shows could be from 50 to 150.

What is the difference between ďTrialsĒ and ďEventsĒ? no difference

Are you a member of the USEA, USEF, USDF, USHJA, or FEI? (wow thatís a lot of acronyms in one sentence!) All of them? Just one? Which ones are required for most events? Which ones do you recommend joining?I am a member of USEA. You and your horse are required to be a member if you compete at the novice level or above. For beginner novice it is not required but you will have to pay a fee if you are not registered. You have to be a member of USEF in order to do CCI's

What levels of dressage coincide with the levels of eventing?
Training level would be like beginner novice. And first level, I think would be either novice or training in eventing. Not really sure, I haven't look at the dressage ones in a while.

What are the real differences between levels? How much of a difference is there on the strain of the horse? Is there a big leap between each or is it a pretty smooth transition? see eventerdrews answer.

Whats the real difference between CIC and CCI? Is CIC* the equavilent of prelim like CCI* is? Im really not sure.

At what level in eventing would I need dress boots instead of field boots for dressage? Field boots are fine for beginner novice through prelim. Im not sure about CCI, i've never done one. My sister has been to a CCI but she has dress boots so im not sure.

SaddleTite- do you use it? Does it ruin the seat of your saddle? I have used it and love it. I don't put it on the seat though. I just put a little on the inside of my boot and on the flap. I bought it because when I first got my saddle it was very slippery with my tall boots, it worked so good that I' keep using it for XC even though I don't really need it anymore. It helps in the case of a bad jump or a buck or something.
     
    01-10-2010, 04:25 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Answers are like this!
Are XC colors necessary? (Not saying I donít want them, but just out of curiosity are you required to have your own colors? Are you required to register those colors at events?)
No, they arn't nescessary, but they are nice to have. Mine are Royal Blue and Black. They look good on any horse, and it's nice to know what is mine. It also looks put together to me.
Are Tipperarys proper vests for XC?
I have one, use it, and have fallen in it. It did it's job ok, but I'm getting a Rohdney Powell eventually! Lol! I really like the feel of my Tipp though. But I would lean towards getting a better vest for the first time.

And Drew, I heard from a high level rider that the USEA might change the rule and only allow certified vests in the future. Don't know how much truth this holds, but I found it quite interesting.

Are field boots necessary for XC? Or can I wear paddock boots and half chaps? Are just paddock boots okay?
I LOVELOVELOVE my Feild Boots! They are SO much better than riding in chaps! I would definitely invest in a pair! Ariats are AMAZING and last for a long time!
Do you use boots on your horse? What sort? (The therapy horses I work with never have any need for boots- we do mostly dressage, trail riding, and occasionally school some low jumps so the world of boots is foreign to me- Iíve discovered thereís a dizzying amount of different sorts of boots on the marketÖ) What sort of boots do most eventing horses wear?
NEVER jump without boots on Geof. He wears Woof Wear brushing boots(with electeral or duct tape around them when we are going XC) for XC, schooling XC, or riding out in the feild at home, and we recently got open fronts for Stadium. NEVER go out on XC with open fronts. They do you no help there. You never know when your horse is going to get goofy on you, so why not protect their legs? Geof also has Bell Boots on 24/7. Our farrier is hard to get out to replace a shoe, so I don't like losing them!

Are you allowed to have a color coordinated browband? (Iím not talking anything excessively *blingy* like a diamante browband, Iím thinking more along the lines of a browband wrapped in ribbon to match our colors)
YUP! And I think it is VERY cute! I would stick to matching bridle and saddle in dressage, and then go with the colors out on the XC. And maybe in the Stadium.

Is the A,B,C,D format still in use? (I canít find a source thatís clear on this matter) Whatís that like compared to events which are ďjustĒ cross country? What are the individual phases like?
Rarely, at some three day events.(like the one in CA.) Otherwise, it is regular 2 day format. Dressage and Stadium on Sat. And XC on Sun.
Do I wear a vest during the stadium phase?
You can. Most people don't, but it won't be looked down upon!

I know Prelim and CCI* are equivalents to each other, but is there a difference between events advertised as ďPreliminaryĒ and FEI sanctioned ďCCI*Ē events? Once Iím qualified to compete Prelim, am I automatically qualified to compete CCI*?
They are in a demetion all their own to me! Lol!

(Stupid Question Alert!) Does eventing go all year round? I mean, obviously in the winter (Iím in Illinois, in the suburbs of Chicago, so we have a pretty substantial winter) you can go south but what Iím really asking is does eventing go all seasons? Is there winter eventing? (That just sounds dangerous...)
For my team, we do a bunch of events in the spring, a couple over the summer, a bunch(and championships) in the fall, and then clinic and train with alot of different people in the winter. We also go down to FL for 2 weeks and compeate and train down there.

How many times per year do most people event? Whatís the average most (fit and sound) horses can handle without putting excess strain on them? (I donít plan on doing an intense amount of eventing because I have plenty of other things I want us to try, but I am curious.)
We do 2-3 in FL over the 2 weeks in winter, at least 6 in the span of March-May. A couple over summer(depends on what happens during YR week, if we go to YR camp, and this year, if the WEG kicks us out of Champagne Run......... I really hope not!) and then a good 6+ again in the fall. We also school a couple times here and there, and clinic when one comes up.

What are the entry fees and other fees like? How much could one expect to pay in fees alone for a given event?
Usually, the entry fee is around $200, then you have to pay all the misc crap and depsoites, then stabling, then gas and food, then you pay for food, so it comes out to a good ammount.
What is the difference between ďTrialsĒ and ďEventsĒ?
I've always learned, a Trial is the 2- day format you will do until training level(if you do a ABCD event) or Intermediate, then you do an actual event which is over the 3 days.


Are you a member of the USEA, USEF, USDF, USHJA, or FEI? (wow thatís a lot of acronyms in one sentence!) All of them? Just one? Which ones are required for most events? Which ones do you recommend joining?
I am joining the USEA this year, my whole team is members. Until I hit Pre-limb and up, I won't register with the USEF. My horse is registered with the USEA already though.
What levels of dressage coincide with the levels of eventing?

No clue.
What are the real differences between levels? How much of a difference is there on the strain of the horse? Is there a big leap between each or is it a pretty smooth transition?
Beginner Novice is simple, but still challenges the horse and rider.
Novice really starts the questions and then it just escalades from there. Drew did a great job describing it already!
Whats the real difference between CIC and CCI? Is CIC* the equavilent of prelim like CCI* is?
Drew did a good job at this already...

At what level in eventing would I need dress boots instead of field boots for dressage?
Again, Drew...
SaddleTite- do you use it? Does it ruin the seat of your saddle?

NOPE! I like knowing that my seat is keeping me there, not glue! Lol! People from my barn use it, and love it, so it could go either way!



And about schooling XC. You go with your trainer, and school differnt jumps on the course. I have schooled everyting from starting at a Green as Grass plank jump, to schooling a Novice water complex and a training level mound, so it is always good to have your trainer there!


Eventing really is the best horse sport out there to me! My trainer is my trainer, and then a friend. She is ALWAYS ther for me, horse related or not. My team is probably one of the most supportive groups of people I have ever been with. We always help eachother, no matter what. We are best friends, and when one of us is down, we are all down. We share things when the need arises, and we look out for eachother. Eventing also requires the rider to have a VERY strong bond with their horse. Geof is always going to take care of me, and I trust him with my life and he trusts his with me everytime we gallop out of that start box. I love eventing and will never look back!
     
    01-10-2010, 04:50 PM
  #9
Green Broke
Stormy, I wouldn't be surprised if, when they come around to getting a new rulebook together, that they say ASTM certified vests only. I think it would be smart, but more expensive for me :( And you shouldn't be worried about Champagne Run. It's run in July whereas the WEG is going to be in October

And here, it's Dressage and XC on Saturday and Stadium on Sunday unless noted otherwise. So it just depends on what event you're at.

Having a matching bridle and saddle isn't going to make or break you like it would in hunters. When I evented Novice, I had a dark brown bridle and a black saddle. No one cared.
     
    01-10-2010, 05:38 PM
  #10
Foal
My one question is do you need an fei passport for the cci*
     

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