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    03-30-2012, 10:13 AM
  #41
Green Broke
Maura, as usual, has a great response for everyone It comes down to the individual horse...and of course, if I was planning on going above the Training level, who knows what would happen, I may indeed need to put shoes on my otherwise ALWAYS barefoot mare. But I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

All horses are individuals and you really cannot apply blanket statements to them by saying "at X level, you need shoes", or "if there's mud, your horse HAS to go in studs", etc. It all depends on the horse. My 14.1 hand Paint/QH is going to react very differently to conditions than a 17 hand TB. And your 14.1 hand Paint/QH cross may act differently than MY 14.1 hand Paint/QH cross. It really all depends on the individual horse.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...I despise "all or nothing" statements. Maura did a great job outlining above how you have 3 basic things that will happy, but which happens depends on the horse and all the different variables that surround him/her.
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    04-02-2012, 01:30 PM
  #42
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Originally Posted by Hoofprints in the Sand    
Maura, as usual, has a great response for everyone It comes down to the individual horse...and of course, if I was planning on going above the Training level, who knows what would happen, I may indeed need to put shoes on my otherwise ALWAYS barefoot mare. But I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

All horses are individuals and you really cannot apply blanket statements to them by saying "at X level, you need shoes", or "if there's mud, your horse HAS to go in studs", etc. It all depends on the horse. My 14.1 hand Paint/QH is going to react very differently to conditions than a 17 hand TB. And your 14.1 hand Paint/QH cross may act differently than MY 14.1 hand Paint/QH cross. It really all depends on the individual horse.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...I despise "all or nothing" statements. Maura did a great job outlining above how you have 3 basic things that will happy, but which happens depends on the horse and all the different variables that surround him/her.
Except I don't think anyone said anything like that did they?
     
    04-02-2012, 10:37 PM
  #43
Green Broke
Hmmm did I say anyone in this particular thread did?
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    04-03-2012, 07:31 AM
  #44
Foal
I thought you implied it by keeping mentioning it. Apologies, I hadn't realised you were just speculating on something that was nothing to do with anything anyone said in the thread.
     
    04-03-2012, 07:54 AM
  #45
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by bettyb    
I thought you implied it by keeping mentioning it. Apologies, I hadn't realised you were just speculating on something that was nothing to do with anything anyone said in the thread.
Not a problem, I was just sharing past experience I've run into with other threads, that were relevant to this one
     
    04-03-2012, 09:49 AM
  #46
Foal
I don't know what you've read somewhere else once upon a time.

I'd have said everything relevant was in this thread.

The OP said

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Originally Posted by VanillaBean    
Hey eventers!

I was talking to my farrier about having Grace (TB mare) go barefoot this summer. She said that she saw an article about Steeplechase horses going barefoot, and that we could try it. She would rather not put shoes on anyway, but she wants us to be safe. We are only eventing Beginner Novice this year, but if she's going really good we will go Novice.

Has anyone tried barefoot eventing? Or Seen someone with a barefoot eventer?

I have seen the damage (and how long it takes to get the hooves back to normal) done my shoes firsthand, and I don't want to throw away all of the work my farrier and I have done by putting shoes on her.

Thanks
There's some odd things in that. There's not a load of steeplechasers going barefoot and in any case this horse isn't a steeplechaser.

Sounds to me like one of those silly made up things that those "barefooter" types come up with and that misleading information given by the OP's "farrier" was corrected by another poster and here.
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Originally Posted by hoopla    
The steeplechase story I find "interesting" is the much touted Saucy Nights - famous for being barefoot - NOT famous for winning. That one is always the one mentioned by the BUA's desperately trying to prove something that isn't true....

It had 33 starts .

It raced for about 9 years and had just 4 wins with prize money of just 15,000. It spent the final 2 years of its racing life being pulled up, falling, unseating the rider or tagging along at the back of the field.

If you're wanting your horse to reach full potential and keep you safe, you'd be well advised to consider what you're going to do to help him get traction at speed.
Then there was some stuff about the OP's farriers work being so bad that putting shoes on would make a mess and another poster corrected that and here.

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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
If your farrier is much of a farrier then she should be able to put on a set of shoes without doing any harm to your horse. Don't buy into all teh barefoot BS.
I'm thinking that the OP's "farrier" isn't a farrier at all though and it's some barefooter that can't put shoes on and so is trying to con the customer into having what they can provide.

It seems to me that the only person here who is not considering what is REAL and RELEVANT is the OP and the OP's "farrier".

She seems to be getting suckered in to the sales stuff of someone with an agenda.

It's common sense to me that if you want your horse to do the best possible and keep safe that it's a good idea to work from fact and to see what others do in order to be a success.

The OP said she's not even galloped this horse let alone get her started.

She's said she tried her cross country when she was "underweight" and "undermuscled". She also says that TB's have bad feet!?!?

Well you know what, I work with mainly t/b's and they're eventers and they don't have bad feet.

Mind you I can't relate at all to someone who thinks you go cross country with a horses that's in poor condition: through lack of feed and lack of muscle.

Eventing is a serious sport and whether you're going to do it as a beginner novice or high level, you need to keep safe and give you and your horse the best chance. So you make sure the horse is in good condition and up to the job and you properly prepare it.

It seems to me that the OP has something in her mind and is just looking for posts that agree that bucking the trend is a good idea and will work.

I'm more logical than that. I event and I know that she'd be lucky to do much of anything and will be hindered by not giving her horse something to help with traction at speed.

It's not going to make much difference if you're just talking about messing around at low levels with a skinny horse but if there's any ambition then that's another thing.

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Originally Posted by VanillaBean    
Thanks MyBoyPuck! I have heard that dirt on dirt is the best traction... I just really want this to work out but still be safe and comfortable.

To be honest, I have never galloped her yet. Just keeping everything calm and cool for a while. This summer, though! I sure hope lack of shoes doesn't make her faster!! I am very excited to try her XC. The only time I did was when she was underweight and undermuscled when I went to try her out. A lot has changed since then!

I evented my pony BN barefoot and she was good, but she is a beast! I know that most slap shoes on TB's because "they have bad feet, why risk it?" But I really want to go barefoot. My farrier used to event, so she knows how important it is to be safe, and I trust her.

Thanks and I am glad to hear from another barefoot eventer!
     
    04-03-2012, 10:33 AM
  #47
Green Broke
Ok, enough with the instigating.

I really don't appreciate all of the snippy comments about my farrier and my horse. I do think that I wrote some things wrong, but really, you have no idea who I am or who my farrier is.

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It's not going to make much difference if you're just talking about messing around at low levels with a skinny horse but if there's any ambition then that's another thing.
seriously? I am not "messing around on a skinny horse" I have a very nice horse and we have ambition.
     
    04-03-2012, 05:35 PM
  #48
Trained
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Originally Posted by VanillaBean    
The only time I did was when she was underweight and undermuscled when I went to try her out. A lot has changed since then!
Bettyb, I must say I am astounded by the degree of your hostity to OP. Read the above sentence again. "when I went to try her out". It wasn't her horse yet. Please understand the sentence before bashing someone about eventing an underweight horse.

It doesn't take much reading between the lines to see that Hoofprints in the Sand was trying to take the steam out of some of the more hostile posts to this thread. I agree with her for commending Maura for staying open minded while still providing the possible downsides of eventing barefoot. Some post, mostly yours, have been very hositle and I agree this discussion needed to be more civil.

While I am sure you do not see many barefoot horses at your level, at the entry level shows, barefoot horses are easy to find. I know of 3 first hand eventing BN or Novice. The OP saw a barefoot horse jumping, wondered if her horse could do it too, and asked a simple question. No reason to jump down her throat.

I haven't met an eventer I didn't like yet. All are helpful and treat their horses like gold. I am certain if the OP finds her horse having negative effects from being barefoot, she will do the right thing for him. I am sure we could all learn from your obviously higher level of eventing experience, but no info is appreciated when it is laced with negative tones.
     
    04-03-2012, 09:57 PM
  #49
Green Broke
Very well said mbpuck!! And yes you pretty much read me right, trying to ignore the sarcastic undertones we all apparently know are there and remain civil
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    05-08-2012, 06:01 AM
  #50
Foal
Okay just thought I'd add my two cents worth as someone who actually events to a high level and have evented both barefoot and shod horses..

There is no blanket rule. If your horse is sure footed and sound go for it.
I've competed to 2** level on a barefoot horse and he was fine, I did put shoes on right before three days to avoid the politics involved in trot ups however.
I have another 2** horse currently and ther is no way in hell I go barefoot I like being able to put studs on him in the wet.

With all my young ones I like to keep the, barefoot until they are jumping about 1m then they get shoes. I'm am lucky my horses spend there days on hillsides in all weather conditons so they learn how to balance themselves pretty **** well. To be honest I wouldn't be brave enough to try barefoot eventing on a horse that lies in a box stall most of the time....

In my country there is a huge barefoot movevent with ,mixed results. One lady did event to 3*** level but it wasn't always pretty. And like I said before the politics involved was like WWIII.

That said low level eventing on sound horse go for it!
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