Actually the mechanical science proves shoes put and underlying unnatural force onto the hoof wall. Get you facts correct. a tennis shoe fits my whole foot. a horse shoe only attaches and goes around the hoof wall two very different things and to very different force impacts. You're trying to compare apples to oranges. here's video proof of what forces shoes put onto the hoof wall if you're not squeamish though you shouldn't be if you're a so called vet student. Videoclips I never said barefoot was the only way to go boy you ignorant people love putting words into the mouths of others. A great professor didn't have us purchase the so called book for our course (it was a medical book) because their are more than one way to do something and get the same or better results and she wanted us to gain knowledge from many sources and not just one author in one book. Thats a good skill to learn to research not just the popular or traditional ways but see how they do it in other countries, places or even in your own neighborhood people do things differently and one way is not better than the other especially if the same results occur. Its all opinions, history is a collection of human stories and much of history is lost because some people didn't get to have their story written or it was changed down the way to suit others ideals and knowledge that they wanted passed down. Just food for thought.
Yeah, not to sound too ranty, but as a vet student I've done enough studying of horses' feet (they're a pretty big deal in terms of what can go wrong with horses) and farriery, unless its poorly done, is far from detrimental. It's not everyone's cup of tea, sure, and there are horses who are fine without shoes. But don't go claiming that barefoot is the way to go because shoeing is intrinsically bad for your horse, because its not.
Originally Posted by SavvyEventer
I event both of my TBs barefoot (jumping Prelim height schooling) and im not in any hurry to shoe them until it is absolutely necessary. Fantastic. Always nice to hear of horse who are happy barefoot, my first horse was barefoot, and when they perform well without shoes that's great (and much cheaper!) Remember horses even the "new" breeds of today were meant to travel across all types of terrain as they roamed for food, shelter, mates etc. All being barefoot trimmed naturally by the rocks, hard ground and gravelly surfaces. First point I disagree with. Most of the 'new' breeds have never had to live wild, and have lived in domesticated situations for thousands of years. They are no longer as well adapted to that environment as some breeds, e.g. mustangs, Camargues, New Forest, brumbies and other breeds that often live feral. Many newer breeds developed AFTER shoes were invented and have not had any consistent breed-wide experience without them esp types like WBs and TBs.Actually just because they were Nurtured in a barn or stall though many especially TBs are field raised thats not going to change their Nature. IF raising them in a barn so called changed their feet how come after 1000's of years with people and living in towns etc they STILL ACT LIKE PREY ANIMALS??? BECAUSE IT"S IN THEIR NATURE TO DO SO. Their anatomy is still not going to be changed because we raised them in a barn. Thats like saying a baby born on the street can't be the same as a human born in a house. You are talking nurture where i was talking nature.
Its not a trait that is ever going to be bred out of them at any time soon, it took 1000's of year for them to evolve they way they are now it would take just as long to breed out or de-evolve a specific aspect of them. Again, just no. Selective breeding (which I did my dissertation on) can drastically alter species phenotypes within a few generations - studies have been done showing a six generation evolution from a wild-type fox to the phenotype of a domestic dog.Horses aren't dogs. Dogs have a very malleable genotype that allows their genes to mutate within 3 generations or less Eugenics has proven how malleable dogs genes are. They are the only creature like that. again trying to compare apples to oranges.
We SERIOUSLY mess with what horses are naturally like when we breed them. Not really we just chose who gets to breed with whom. They boys are lucky and dont have to fight for the girls anymore. we haven't changed anything except who gets to be a mommy and daddy and who doesn't.
Not every breed has been altered to the point where they need shoes in the field or to be pasture puffs, but some have even gotten that far, and many of the highly selected breeds like TBs, WBs and other hot competition breeds really will go lame if you ride them even in arenas without shoes.Most TB's again are field raised and pastured until they are 2. You must live sheltered if you didn't know that. Have you ever driven by TB farms mares with their foals out 24/7 yearlings and weanlings the same. Why do you think TB and Sport horse farms are so big. they let them live out in pastures before coming in to be trained/raced. TBs have great feet and can do lots barefoot.
We humans just have given some of them the opportunity to survive with vet, farrier, etc where out in the wild they may not have been so lucky and its just part of natures cycle. But in nature they don't event, jump four-foot course when they could just walk around them, trot on roads... and wild-type horses avoid highly rocky and hard ground as much as possible, as it is less fertile and offers less food.Again you are mistaken as wild horse travel on whatever ground there is. they dont go OMG theres a rock i cant possibly touch it. They travel in rocky streams in the summer to cool off and on ice and snow in winter. They will jump whatever is in their way to get to what they want. And no they do not event but THEY DO have to FIGHT FOR LAND/MARES/FOOD (something our pampered stable horses never have to do) which can be more strenuous than any event course we could come up with.
Yes though it is horse by horse case though. So true. Some are perfectly fine without, many just can't cope. Some in the middle are fine either way.There are some that just weren't born with the structure to handle the type of strain eventing puts on them.(those like i said earlier would be cat food in the wild but thanks to vets shoes and science can actually become useful. So not sure why the redundancy here
So therefore shoes are a necessary thing. But Shoes on horses aren't natural to their hoof structure. Shoes put extra force on the hoof wall itself unless you use added pads or a egg or circle bar shoe, over time shoes will actually cause damage to the horse's hoof and soundness too from separation of the laminae from the wall and the bone. Laminitis (which is what you describe with laminae separation) is to do with diet, blood sugars and stress altering the chemical makeup of the hoof. If i was talking about laminitis i would have said so. It is not the only thing that can do that to a horse's hoof wall. Shoes are only place on the outer rim of the horse's hoof. leaving the sole to sink as weight is placed on the hoof. the hoof was meant to be a weight baring surface in entirety not just the outside hoof wall. Thus will cause laminitis like conditions to form as well. Proof in video
Nothing to do with farriery, but with your horses type, diet and stress levels. Wrongly shod feet can have problems, yes, but a well-fitted shoe doesn't cause problems to the hoof.Actually yes it does horse's hooves are designed by NATURE(there's that word again) to have the whole hoof bearing the weight not just the rim. Wearing heels hurts your foot because it unnaturally lifts up your heel from the ground and puts the pressure all on the ball of your foot (hence the relief once you finally get barefoot again. Same principals.
It's like saying your well fitting walking shoe is bad for you because it's adding extra weight to the bottom of your foot...Apples to Oranges because a tennis shoe fits my entire foot. a horse shoe does not.
You may say well mine wore shoes 30yrs or so never had a problem, that horse probably had feet that could survive anything and you were very blessed.MOST horses go all their lives with no issues due to shoes (admittedly some farriers are useless, but with a good one you very rarely see shoe-related problems).Actually many problems come from shoes not just from bad farriers.
I don't see how a gadget designed to make your horses life easier is something that you are 'blessed' if it doesn't ruin your horses feet.Because they were designed by people can you ask your horse their opinion. No? oh well thats good because they would probably give you an answer you wouldn't like. It was not designed for the good of the animal, most things made for animals were for either fashion, utility, or because it was believed to have helped them and when first invented there wasn't xrays or ultrasounds or anything in the like so now what was thought to be beneficial is actually harmful but now you have "TRADITIONS" set in the mindsets of teachers and older professionals who are going to pass on the failed knowledge because that was how it was done then and that is how it will be done now. Once you've set your mind on an opinion for example you're probably going to have a hard time changing your mind same with the TRADITIONAL Schools of today
If shoeing was bad for a horse, it would have been realised and adapted - there's enough money in the industry that there's plenty of research funding for shoes and adaptive shoeing.It has been researched and found out but oh no what are the traditional farriers who only know how to shoe do? They'd be out of a job so instead they put up propaganda claiming what you are claiming that shoeing is they only way to go when in actuality it is not. Still horse by horse case and it is up to that person to get the facts and talk to more than just one person and get a collective opinion because one person may not actually be right even though they think they are. It may be necessary for some but do not blanket all horses into one category.
like i said their are great shoes that do offer support like for navicular, ringbone, etc and that keep horses sound all year round.
Just don't shoe a horse just to shoe it though because its the thing to do or because someone says its necessary look into research and asking your vet, farrier, trainer etc and get a wide variety of opinions and see what matches your ideas and goals for the horse. This I agree with - every horse is different, and it;s worth finding out what best suits you, your horse and what you intend to do together.
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