my celine doesnt give me a chair seat ! i have never had an issue with it. if it gives someone a chair seat either they are sitting in it wrong or it doesnt fit them.
It's not fair to state that those who end up with a chair seat while in the Celine aren't sitting in it correctly, because I know of quite competant riders who had that saddle and got rid of it because of that issue.
On the other hand, I do agree with it not fitting them - not in the size generalization, but in the way the saddle is made in compareson to how the rider is made.
Your saddle is supposed to aid you, not hinder you, and if the saddle is putting you in a chair seat, like I've seen with the Celine, is it beacuse the riders conformation does not coorespond with how that saddle is made.
That is why it is important to try out many different saddles, to find one that works for you - aids you, not hinders you.
It is great that your bodies conformation works with the Celine's conformation, but that isn't the same story for others. Even myself, I know how to sit in a CC saddle - heck I am in one everytime I ride. And the difference between the two saddles are night and day with my position. I get into the Celine, and I am instantly put in a chair seat. I get into my Harry Dabbs, and I am instantly put in a balanced postion, with me over my feet - easily. I shouldn't have to struggle - no one should have to struggle. I had the same issue with my Wintec 500 A/P - chair seat.
So while the Harry Dabbs works wonderful for me, it may not for another. While the Celine works wonderful for you, it may not for others. While the Stubben Roxanne works wonders for another rider, it may be ****e for you and I - gyst is, not every saddle works for every rider.
And I shouldn't say that the celine always puts a rider in a chair seat, because just as I stated, while it doesn't work for a lot of riders, it works great for others.