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post #11 of 18 Old 03-22-2011, 04:02 PM Thread Starter
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i would just get a jump saddle. I personally really like prestige and county saddles [they are super expensive tho !] I have an m toulouse that I love a lot. They are good saddles because they are 'knock-offs' of really expensive saddles, but are still made with nice leather.
Yes, definitely. Eventually, I'd love to save up for a custom County dressage saddle! [Lol bless my soul if it ever happens!]

I really love the M. Toulouse line!! Which one do you have? I was about to buy the Celine, but I heard it has given riders bad chair seats! Ugh. Back to the drawing board..
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post #12 of 18 Old 03-23-2011, 08:00 AM
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I have the celine and I love it ! Never had any problems with a chair seat. I think what causes people to have a chair seat is when they sit too much on the seat bones. Close contact saddles are jumping saddles so you have to have equal weight on seat bones and pubis, as well as a slightly closed hip angle. That is just how jumping saddles are made to be rode in =]

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huh.... maybe ill have to try it out and see if it works for me. :)
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The M.T Celine gives its riders a chair seat position. I have seen over a handful of riders in that particular saddle where they have been in a chair seat.
I also had a personal experience with this particular saddle, I was helping a friend get her feet under her. No matter how much I tried to get her balanced over her feet, it wouldn't happen.

So I had her get on Nelson to get in my saddle so she could get a feel for having your feet under you, and she got it instantly. So I got on her horse to get a feel for her saddle after she told me to - same issue. Chair Seat.

I told her to get rid of it. So she did. She took it to our local tack shop to have it sold, and it sold - to my surprise, to a friend of mine. She now has that saddle, and has the same issue - chair seat.

My friend who sold the saddle, bought herself a different model of a Marcel Toulouse, and she doesn't have that issue anymore.

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my celine doesnt give me a chair seat ! I have never had an issue with it. If it gives someone a chair seat either they are sitting in it wrong or it doesnt fit them.

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post #16 of 18 Old 03-30-2011, 04:07 AM
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I have a trainers pro delux. I bought it off ebay a few years ago for $870, it was 2 years old and in great condition. Before that I was using a wintec 500 a/p until got to 6 bar and I jumped over 115cm and the saddle smacked me in the butt and launched me out of it LOL 2 weeks later, I go the trainers.

I am going to my first ODE on my young horse on 1st may in the wintec (new I kept that saddle for a reason) then when we get near the c grade level in a few years I will look at getting that trainers fitted to him, if it doesn't fit then I will sell it and get the same one in a smaller gullet (if the pannels aren't too wide)

but in black

It's not too swallow in the seat but the back of the seat is square. I used it for show jumping and xc

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my celine doesnt give me a chair seat ! I have never had an issue with it. If it gives someone a chair seat either they are sitting in it wrong or it doesnt fit them.
It's not fair to state that those who end up with a chair seat while in the Celine aren't sitting in it correctly, because I know of quite competant riders who had that saddle and got rid of it because of that issue.

On the other hand, I do agree with it not fitting them - not in the size generalization, but in the way the saddle is made in compareson to how the rider is made.

Your saddle is supposed to aid you, not hinder you, and if the saddle is putting you in a chair seat, like I've seen with the Celine, is it beacuse the riders conformation does not coorespond with how that saddle is made.

That is why it is important to try out many different saddles, to find one that works for you - aids you, not hinders you.

It is great that your bodies conformation works with the Celine's conformation, but that isn't the same story for others. Even myself, I know how to sit in a CC saddle - heck I am in one everytime I ride. And the difference between the two saddles are night and day with my position. I get into the Celine, and I am instantly put in a chair seat. I get into my Harry Dabbs, and I am instantly put in a balanced postion, with me over my feet - easily. I shouldn't have to struggle - no one should have to struggle. I had the same issue with my Wintec 500 A/P - chair seat.

So while the Harry Dabbs works wonderful for me, it may not for another. While the Celine works wonderful for you, it may not for others. While the Stubben Roxanne works wonders for another rider, it may be ****e for you and I - gyst is, not every saddle works for every rider.

And I shouldn't say that the celine always puts a rider in a chair seat, because just as I stated, while it doesn't work for a lot of riders, it works great for others.

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a lot of people sit in their saddle incorrectly. A trainer I clinic with changed the way 10 people sit in their saddle in one day ! That's crazy ! I don't think that everyone who sits in a chair seat is sitting in their saddle incorrectly, but I think at least 50% are. That's just personal opinion from what I've seen out showing and clinic-ing.

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