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    05-27-2011, 06:27 AM
  #11
Banned
Amymarie,

I have a very strong bias on this subject, based on my own experience. The following is my own biased opinion, which I feel sure some of the eventers will disagree with, but here goes.

I think starting out in hunters is a *wonderful* background for eventing. (Yes, because all my early training was hunt seat, and I started eventing much later.) Riding hunters really develops your feel for pace and rhythm, and your sense of distances and where and how the horse wears its fences. (Hunter trips are judged on these things, XC and stadium in eventing are only judged on faults and time, so obviously, there's less emphasis.) That's a tremendous foundation to take to eventing. Yes, you do have to learn to ride from several different seats, and be much more flexible about your position, but that core focus on position, pace, rhythym and jumping form is a huge asset once you get "unstuck" from your hunter two point.

My default position is out of the tack in two or three point, and sitting or full seat when the situation calls for it. Most eventer's default position is full seat, and they only get out of the tack when the situation calls for it. Nothing wrong with either method, but my core belief is still that the more time spent off the horse's back the better.

Back when I was attending a lot of clinics, there were usually a couple of hunter riders in the Novice sections, and usually the clinicians *loved* them, for a lot of the reasons above. They tended to be quieter and sublter with their aids (again, they're used to being judged on that) and more conscious of position and releasing over the fence. Yes, they did have to work on getting "unstuck" and learn to ride a full, following seat at a hand gallop, but once that's there, you're golden.

Good luck, have lots of fun and post frequent updates.
     
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    05-27-2011, 08:57 AM
  #12
Trained
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    
Your coach is correct - when you are out on the CC course, you want a full seat and yes, it is safer because you can feel your horse under you, and you are solid and at the verticle isntead of forward.

When I ride under Top Level Eventers in cliniques, they all teach to sit 5 strides out from the fence - sit, wrap your legs around your girth, tall upper body and drive.

You cannot ride a XC fence the same way you ride a stadium - two different fences, two different styles, two different scenario's. If you come off at a fence, they wont be forgiving as they would be in the stadium ring.

You can always pin point the "hunters" out on the CC course because they ride in a forward seat. You will get into trouble with this seat when you get to bigger and more demanding fences.
that is not necessarily true MIE. I agree about the forgiving part, but there are only a few different types of fences. Upright [vertical], wide [oxer], spread [ditch or liverpool], things you jump up [bank], and things you jump down [bank]. That's really about it, and you can see all of those things in the jumper ring as well as on cross country. [someone please correct me if you see a type of jump I missed, thanks]

Although you sill more of some of these things on cross country, as well as more terrain, you and your horse basically have to know how to jump these types of jumps and you will be fine.

Im trying to think of a time that I would not want to ride out of a forward seat besides going downhill and I really can't think of one. Maybe that's just how I was trained [by eventing BTW even though I do hunters too] I am also a strong believer that we should be off the horsees back as much as possible on cross country, and stay out of their way as much as possible.

BTW great post maura !
     
    05-27-2011, 03:07 PM
  #13
Foal
Thankyou everyone for these great explanations! I'll definitely post updates (when it finally stops raining ) and my instructor lets me out on his mini cross country course for my first time!!! I might be trying out for my schools hunter equestrian team in the fall too, so it'll be good to be in both the hunter and eventer style, although I'm liking eventing better it just seems so much more FUN with variety! I liked hunter, but looking back on it it was all about posing and perfection. But either way, its horseback riding and i'll meet more horse people in my area which is good. I feel like such a loner it's only really me and my good friend who ride together. Everyone else at my barn is like 10 lol, with the exception of two other girls my age but we're never at the barn at the same time.
     
    05-27-2011, 04:04 PM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
that is not necessarily true MIE. I agree about the forgiving part, but there are only a few different types of fences. Upright [vertical], wide [oxer], spread [ditch or liverpool], things you jump up [bank], and things you jump down [bank]. That's really about it, and you can see all of those things in the jumper ring as well as on cross country. [someone please correct me if you see a type of jump I missed, thanks]

Although you sill more of some of these things on cross country, as well as more terrain, you and your horse basically have to know how to jump these types of jumps and you will be fine.

Im trying to think of a time that I would not want to ride out of a forward seat besides going downhill and I really can't think of one. Maybe that's just how I was trained [by eventing BTW even though I do hunters too] I am also a strong believer that we should be off the horsees back as much as possible on cross country, and stay out of their way as much as possible.

BTW great post maura !
this is what my eventing trainer said as well.. its all basically the same but you also need to know your horse and how they like to be ridden. Petey does not really like you to sit and drive up to the fence unless its a bank drop he prefers you to be off his back and he doesnt stop at fences so I can feel comfortable being off his back up to the fence all I have to do is squeeze and let him know im still with him.

I was originally a hunter turned jumper turned eventer lol so its not too hard once you get going its really really fun just always be conscience of what your horse is telling you and for the beginning you may want to keep the full seat which is what I ride on my other horse. Most importantly don't over think everything and just have fun
     
    05-27-2011, 10:28 PM
  #15
Weanling
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Originally Posted by VelvetsAB    
*blushes...looks down at the ground and mumbles so MIE can't hear her*

I do the hunter thing when I am hunting, and I shouldn't. Definitely in a hunter position, instead of eventing position. The Shame!

*whistles in a distracting way* no.. never... not me.

There's some differences in "Hunter" training as well. I was taught to ride from a half seat when I was young, and advanced on to a full seat. I now go back and forth when the time calls for it. The good hunters (not the ones who give us a bad rap) are flexible and ride from whatever seat works for them, the horse, and the course. I agree with Maura... Hunter riders are a bit more meticulous on the SJ course, and quieter riders. But we do stick out a bit. =/

Oh yes.... welcome to the darkside! It is so much more fun!
     
    05-27-2011, 11:03 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Well...it might be something that I look into in the future.

Right now, I can barely afford 2 lessons a month, and would want to be much more comitted then that.

Plus, maybe a few seasons of actually showing--instead of just schooling shows--in the hunter ring (Adult Mods perhaps....), would be a good asset.

Plus, right now I get the chance to hunt occasionally which is kinda like cross country, so its best of both worlds? But this is off topic.



I very much agree with Maura that having a background in hunters can be a great bonus for moving into eventers. It'll be much easier to change position, then having to learn everything all at once. It can let you focus more on your weak areas.
     
    05-28-2011, 10:49 AM
  #17
Weanling
You had asked earlier (I think... I might've been hallucinating...) if you'd lose points riding in more of an eventing seat in the hunter ring. I've ridden hunters for the last 5 years or so, but find it dreadfully boring so I'm now training with an eventing trainer, who's focused a lot more on the dressage and carrying that into jumping. I'm finding that even though my horse has progressed a ton since last season, when we do hunters we're not pinning as well just because I'm riding more in full seat than 3 point.
I definitely agree with you though, eventing seems so much more fun
     
    05-28-2011, 11:33 AM
  #18
Foal
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Originally Posted by hflmusicislife    
You had asked earlier (I think... I might've been hallucinating...) if you'd lose points riding in more of an eventing seat in the hunter ring. I've ridden hunters for the last 5 years or so, but find it dreadfully boring so I'm now training with an eventing trainer, who's focused a lot more on the dressage and carrying that into jumping. I'm finding that even though my horse has progressed a ton since last season, when we do hunters we're not pinning as well just because I'm riding more in full seat than 3 point.
I definitely agree with you though, eventing seems so much more fun
haha definitely no hallucinating I kinda threw that question somewhere in there and thankyou for noticing it because I actually forgot I asked it I was expecting/dreading I'd be docked points for the change in seat but had a slight hope it wasn't true lol. My trainer seems to incorporate dressage into his teaching too. It's cool because even though I rode hunters for like 8 years I was never taught anything about dressage it was always a mystery to me. I feel like I spent all those good years on only ONE discipline and it's nice to keep myself busy in 3 areas I learn so much with each lesson. It's DEFINITELY more exciting I love it!
     
    05-31-2011, 02:02 PM
  #19
Foal
what came together for me last month (after spending winter in lessons with a x-c / eventing trainer vs. a hunter trainer) is this article in Practical Horseman by Jennie Brannigan. I've been spending my times out on trails doing homework of gallop & defensive positions. Working on my muscle memory, schooling over fences using the same. For once I feel like I have a purpose or goal when out riding not just sitting up there...

I've watched the video many times, thumbed through the magazine several times as well. The May issue was devoted to eventing...

http://www.equisearch.com/horses_riding_training/english/eventing/video-5-cross-country-rider-positions/

Good luck and enjoy -- b/c I know I really love it and cannot for the life of me think about returning to hunter shows. I may do timed jumping but its b/c the adrenaline junkie has taken hold of my soul...
     
    05-31-2011, 02:20 PM
  #20
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by ottbrider    
what came together for me last month (after spending winter in lessons with a x-c / eventing trainer vs. a hunter trainer) is this article in Practical Horseman by Jennie Brannigan. I've been spending my times out on trails doing homework of gallop & defensive positions. Working on my muscle memory, schooling over fences using the same. For once I feel like I have a purpose or goal when out riding not just sitting up there...

I've watched the video many times, thumbed through the magazine several times as well. The May issue was devoted to eventing...

http://www.equisearch.com/horses_riding_training/english/eventing/video-5-cross-country-rider-positions/

Good luck and enjoy -- b/c I know I really love it and cannot for the life of me think about returning to hunter shows. I may do timed jumping but its b/c the adrenaline junkie has taken hold of my soul...
This looks like a really helpful article I hope I can be able to pick it up on a shelf because I don't have this magazine. How do I get to the full video? Do I have to make an account? The clip gives me an teasing 42 seconds and I'm like I want more !
     

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