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        07-02-2013, 09:06 AM
      #21
    Super Moderator
    It sounds as if that was when your problems started - your horse got the idea she could run along at her own speed, you'd have no collection so no way to produce useful energy that you could hold and release
    Here are a couple of Youtube channels that you can find some interesting info on.
    If she's rushing her fences you might find that going back to grid work will help - try working towards a line of bounce fences - only 2ft max where every other fence is actually a ground pole - makes the horses think about what they're doing. Also lots of twists and turns - avoid jumping single fences over and over again
    This one is EventionTv, they have 43 videos at present
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS6j-SfQ4FA
    This one is from British Showjumping, they have 208 videos, a mix of instructional stuff and basic interest things like clips from competitions
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-c...=TLL3KCaKPhIPM
         
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        07-02-2013, 09:49 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    I'm with you! Given the choice of spending time with other people or with my horses - equipower wins every time! Have fun :)
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        07-02-2013, 10:39 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    It sounds as if that was when your problems started - your horse got the idea she could run along at her own speed, you'd have no collection so no way to produce useful energy that you could hold and release
    Here are a couple of Youtube channels that you can find some interesting info on.
    If she's rushing her fences you might find that going back to grid work will help - try working towards a line of bounce fences - only 2ft max where every other fence is actually a ground pole - makes the horses think about what they're doing. Also lots of twists and turns - avoid jumping single fences over and over again
    This one is EventionTv, they have 43 videos at present
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS6j-SfQ4FA
    This one is from British Showjumping, they have 208 videos, a mix of instructional stuff and basic interest things like clips from competitions
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-c...=TLL3KCaKPhIPM
    I will definitely check those videos out! Right now when he rushes fences, I either turn him off of the jump's path, and make him do a few controlled circles, and then try it again. I have also just stopped him right before the jump, and then tried it again.

    It's weird though, he didn't rush the jumps when I was bareback and bridleless, there might be something I'm doing.
         
        07-02-2013, 11:55 AM
      #24
    Super Moderator
    People have different views on your first comments - so these are just mine circling works OK provided you do it far enough away from the fence so as not to create a pattern of 'running out' - Stopping a horse right in front of the fence is to me a bad idea as its going to encourage refusals at some point
    Never just face your horse at a jump and then go for it - always bring her round in a circle from somewhere and get her settled in a situation where you have jumps set up but don't actually jump them
    The bitless/bareback thing takes you to your other thread where we already discussed things like the saddle being uncomfortable or the bit giving pain - maybe your hands are not quite steady enough and she is 'running away' from the pressure
    What happens when you jump bareback but with a bit?
    What happens when you jump with a saddle but in a bitless sidepull or halter?
    I have seen horses and ponies start to rush fences when they get bored with it because they've done too much, they're decent enough to still be willing to jump but just want to get it out of the way with ASAP
         
        07-02-2013, 01:24 PM
      #25
    Foal
    OP, you absolutely should ask for the canter on a circle. That is why the tests allow you to pick it up in the corner. As for the jumping, remember that jumping to height is not all there is. You should be comfortable jumping TABLES on a downhill slope or whatnot at that height, not just a little vertical in the arena. It sounds like pre-BN is the way to go. The lunging transition work, as long as you don't overdo it and properly warm up the horse, is a great way to get him confident and strong enough to pick up the difficult lead. Don't jump more than 2-3x week (really ever) and just relax as far as fitness. If the horse has been in regular riding wtc with the odd jump he should be fine for pre-BN.

    Also, I know Jaydee suggested some jumper and dressage shows--and it's a good idea. Get some miles at both, and go to the h/j shows and just focus on a smooth round. Sure, your horse isn't going to win the 3' A circuit classes, but a smooth, forward, steady ride will place at a schooling show. But just go for fun, for the show miles, etc. However, don't skip the derbies. Certainly don't do them if you are not ready, but for the video you posted as long as the horse is still being ridden regularly you can't go too wrong doing a derby.

    However, if you go out for several days, don't go! I am not of the opinion your horse needs interval training at the level you are doing--or even through novice. Once you go Training and up, maybe, or if you are riding something that has trouble getting or staying fit, but for now, don't stress about that. I also am of a different opinion on your weekend away. You aren't looking to go to the Olympics. If you want to go out for a weekend, you aren't somehow not dedicated. Even Olympians go on vacations. However, it is not fair to your horse to do a show straight after a few days off. Find the balance and the timing. Weekends out and shows can both have a place in your life--just not back to back unless it's in reverse order!

    You do need a better coach than the hunter trainer you described. While you don't want to pull on a horse before the fences, dropping him is not the solution. He was rushing because he was unsure and unbalanced. It sounds like your current coach has a better clue. However, don't write off all h/j coaches for the future!

    I agree on the grid work and such, but ultimately it's a balance issue and a confidence issue. For that reason I don't believe you are going to benefit from just doing grids. Your flatwork and work with your coach is what will solve your problems. I would be leery of turning off or stopping before fences. There is a time and a place for each of those things. Hopefully you are doing them with the supervision of a coach.

    While jaydee is right about collecting and bringing the horse to the fence, that's putting the horse before the cart. You FIRST need to put your leg in the correct position, then learn to put it ON the horse. Only then can you use it effectively. Until then don't think about collection. Since collection comes from behind and from your legs, you cannot get it yet. Thinking about collecting now will only make you use your hands and work front to back. Don't worry about collection right now. Focus on getting your leg on and learning to use it.

    Keep us posted!
         
        07-02-2013, 06:39 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    Here is today's update!
    I just got back in from riding, and man did some of the changes I made help tremendously!

    I lunged him like I usually do, just to the left to really strengthen that lead. He was high energy on the line today since it was raining, and being the little "princess" he is, he was overreacting. I swear, he acted like he was going to melt. It was wet, sloppy ground today so he really watched where he put his feet, and how he did his transitions.

    After, I decided to ride him in this hackamore:

    He was a tad strong in it, but his jumping was a ton better. He was a lot more sensitive to me reining him back to slow him down before the jump, which helped a ton. I think my problem with jumping is when he jumps, I would lack a release, and the snaffle would push up into the top of his mouth. Just my guess.
    He got his left lead again, so so easily. I feel so much more ready for this show with him getting it now.
         
        07-02-2013, 06:48 PM
      #27
    Super Moderator
    I think I've been calling him a her - please apologise but he is pretty!!!
    We had an OTTB that my husband jumped to quite a high level, he'd been cast out and on his way to the slaughter yard as he was declared 'unstoppable' - which he was but we put him in an English hackamore and he was like a different horse from that day on.
    I think it was the Olympic silver medal winning showjumper last year that rides in an English hack as he has brake problems in a bit
         
        07-02-2013, 07:08 PM
      #28
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    I think I've been calling him a her - please apologise but he is pretty!!!
    We had an OTTB that my husband jumped to quite a high level, he'd been cast out and on his way to the slaughter yard as he was declared 'unstoppable' - which he was but we put him in an English hackamore and he was like a different horse from that day on.
    I think it was the Olympic silver medal winning showjumper last year that rides in an English hack as he has brake problems in a bit
    I think I know what horse you are talking about. My new plan is to stay with the hackamore until I get better with my release and body control, just so his mouth can avoid all of my mistakes. I already didn't like jumping with a bit just because you see all of those riders come off with the reins in their hands still, while the poor horse has their mouth cranked open.. I don't want that to be me at the derby.

    So here is a good question. With the hackamore I was using, is it legal to use for XC and showjumping? I am pretty positive it is, but I don't want to get disqualified for it.
         
        07-02-2013, 09:04 PM
      #29
    Super Moderator
    You should probably check on the rules that the people holding the event have in place as if its a privately run thing they might not be the same as USEF - I think the rule is on EV11 in the link below
    Couple of links
    http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2012/13-EV.pdf
         
        07-02-2013, 11:18 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    The link says that gags and hackamores are allowed, so I'm thinking I will be using the hackamore for the xc/show jumping course, and see how that goes! I will probably record a video of me and my horse jumping in the next few days. I was going to today, but it started raining, and became very gloomy. Blah.
         

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