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        07-08-2013, 05:02 PM
      #51
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    Are you putting liniment on before the workout? Are you putting it on top of fly spray?

    After a hard work, I will cold hose each leg for approx 10 minutes each. I'll dry the legs well and then rub the liniment on. Check to make sure you don't have a concentrate that needs to be diluted.

    Some horses are very sensitive to liniment and you make have to water it down a little bit.

    As for wrapping after workouts.. I used to ride for a coach who had us wrap after every decent workout. What I saw happening is that the horses leg structures lost their "tone" and they would start to have problems stocking up. It got so bad that if you failed to wrap a horse after working, they would stock up so badly they were uncomfortable. I stopped wrapping after every workout and only did it after a particularly heavy show or work...no more than a couple of times a month. I stopped having any trouble with stocking up.

    This is just my experience and observation. Some times we hurt out horses in the desire to help them.

    I would also check and see if other horses in your barn are getting rain scald/rot. It is very common on the lower leg and, because of all the rain we have had, it is all over our barn. Once it is in the soil, you will have recurrences for-freaking-ever. It presents itself as little bumps that eventually scab and form "scab mats".

    Does it look like this? Rain scald/rot.



         
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        07-08-2013, 05:54 PM
      #52
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    Are you putting liniment on before the workout? Are you putting it on top of fly spray?

    After a hard work, I will cold hose each leg for approx 10 minutes each. I'll dry the legs well and then rub the liniment on. Check to make sure you don't have a concentrate that needs to be diluted.

    Some horses are very sensitive to liniment and you make have to water it down a little bit.

    As for wrapping after workouts.. I used to ride for a coach who had us wrap after every decent workout. What I saw happening is that the horses leg structures lost their "tone" and they would start to have problems stocking up. It got so bad that if you failed to wrap a horse after working, they would stock up so badly they were uncomfortable. I stopped wrapping after every workout and only did it after a particularly heavy show or work...no more than a couple of times a month. I stopped having any trouble with stocking up.

    This is just my experience and observation. Some times we hurt out horses in the desire to help them.

    I would also check and see if other horses in your barn are getting rain scald/rot. It is very common on the lower leg and, because of all the rain we have had, it is all over our barn. Once it is in the soil, you will have recurrences for-freaking-ever. It presents itself as little bumps that eventually scab and form "scab mats".

    Does it look like this? Rain scald/rot.



    I think my new schedule after riding will be to use one of my old brushes and wet his legs with that, and then dry them. I probably will end up diluting the liniment since my horse is pretty sensitive to certain things. I will see how he does today without diluting it. I'm assuming you aren't supposed to use fly spray and liniment together, so I will most likely liniment him, and then give him an after ride grooming, and after fly spray him.

    I am certain it is not rain rot. We have never had a case of it, even though my neighbors horse got it a few times. Can a horse get it from being sweaty and have a blanket automatically applied? Or after washing then a blanket, often?

    I think my horse's thing is the wind puffs Boo Walker was talking about. If they pop up again today, I will take a picture or two.
         
        07-08-2013, 07:41 PM
      #53
    Yearling
    Today's ride was well.. If I could describe it in one word, it would be defeat. I am so upset right now. We were working dressage, and it was meant to be an easy day; lunging, warm up, do a different dressage pattern, done. But of course not. We were going through the dressage pattern, and it seemed like his brakes became rustier and rustier. By the end up the pattern when we were supposed to halt, I had to shorten and shorten and tighten the reins the get him to stop. It seemed as if I was trying to stop a train. It felt like this in all of the down transitions. Eventually we went onto transition work, like walk stop trot walk, and at a point my hard hands came back and I slammed onto his mouth. I automatically became so mad that I allowed my old terrible habit to come back and the waterworks started. I got myself together and did some walk stop back walk stop-- and went onto getting his bad lead. We got it on the 2nd try, and I wanted him to slow down during it, and he decided to just trot instead of have a controlled canter.. I pushed my heels into him twice, quickly, and his head flew up and he took off.. I followed with a one rein stop and got off to collect my thoughts and to not get mad. I got back on and we did walking and stopping.

    Overall, I felt defeated. It's one of those bad rides where it feels as if you are stuck in a hole. I am starting to dread the show now, just because the dressage. Right now my horse is in crossties, watching me type this.

    Does anyone have any tips on how to get an easy, soft stop and nice downward transitions?
         
        07-09-2013, 10:23 AM
      #54
    Super Moderator
    First off - Stop with the negativity !!!!
    We all have bad days - sometimes a whole run of them. You can't let it get you down.
    Some horses will run away from certain bits - could be that the snaffle might not be working for you.
    Our cob Honey will turn any attempt at hanging on to her mouth into a tug of war that she will always win because of her sheer strength. She's very forward going so has to be ridden 'quietly' but you have to ride her on a really light hand or you lose her. When she does get a bit strong I find that 'talking her down' with my voice works better than anything
    Not sure what your cues are for halt so
    Body - relax but sit upright
    Seat - deepen so you feel yourself 'sinking into the horse'
    Legs - On the girth, heels down gently asking the horse to move forwards
    Into
    Hands - light resisting pressure
    The transitions follow a similar pattern - say you want to go from trot to walk
    Shorten you reins just a little bit - you should already have the horse on the bit so its usually enough to just tilt your hands slightly inwards (not like the Incredible Hulk!!!)
    Now where a lot of people go wrong is that as for the halt too - they think that rein pressure is enough but you also need to ride the horse into that resisting hand so you need to apply some light pressure from your calves and as you feel him go down to the walk allow more rein so he can stretch his neck, push his shoulders forward and step under with his back legs
    Have you ever tried riding him in something like a mullen mouth snaffle or maybe a shaped Happy Mouth Mullen mouth snaffle?
         
        07-09-2013, 10:40 AM
      #55
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    First off - Stop with the negativity !!!!
    We all have bad days - sometimes a whole run of them. You can't let it get you down.
    Some horses will run away from certain bits - could be that the snaffle might not be working for you.
    Our cob Honey will turn any attempt at hanging on to her mouth into a tug of war that she will always win because of her sheer strength. She's very forward going so has to be ridden 'quietly' but you have to ride her on a really light hand or you lose her. When she does get a bit strong I find that 'talking her down' with my voice works better than anything
    Not sure what your cues are for halt so
    Body - relax but sit upright
    Seat - deepen so you feel yourself 'sinking into the horse'
    Legs - On the girth, heels down gently asking the horse to move forwards
    Into
    Hands - light resisting pressure
    The transitions follow a similar pattern - say you want to go from trot to walk
    Shorten you reins just a little bit - you should already have the horse on the bit so its usually enough to just tilt your hands slightly inwards (not like the Incredible Hulk!!!)
    Now where a lot of people go wrong is that as for the halt too - they think that rein pressure is enough but you also need to ride the horse into that resisting hand so you need to apply some light pressure from your calves and as you feel him go down to the walk allow more rein so he can stretch his neck, push his shoulders forward and step under with his back legs
    Have you ever tried riding him in something like a mullen mouth snaffle or maybe a shaped Happy Mouth Mullen mouth snaffle?
    I will try that today when I work with him. He used to be so light in the bit, when I used a kimberwick for huntseat. I honestly thinks he likes the feel of a chain instead of just the bit, since my hackamore uses a chain too, and he's fine in that.

    I am actually headed to a tack store today to look at more possibilities for bits. I think I will ask the employees for advice on a bit with less breakage in the mouth. I really like bits that are broken in 2 places, but I'm not sure if they are allowed in dressage. I have tried one of the Myler bit series bits, that looks something like this: http://mylerbitsusa.com/images/comfort_snaffle/2.jpg
    But he resisted a lot more with it by opening his mouth. I will probably try a dee-ring tonight, to see if the gag action of the snaffle is bothering him or what.

    But I guess I could throw in some good news! First, he learned a whole lot of patience by standing in the cross ties for a good half an hour while I was thinking of a new solution. Two, I got a small job! (I will make about $100 a month, but atleast it's something!). Three, I am starting another small job soon of putting miles on a family friend's horse, because she broke both legs (rotten luck)!
         
        07-09-2013, 10:57 AM
      #56
    Super Moderator
    A lot of horses just don't like bits that are jointed - even the double jointed ones seem to irritate them
    Did the kimberwick have a low port? It could just be that he was happier without the joint action.
         
        07-09-2013, 01:00 PM
      #57
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    A lot of horses just don't like bits that are jointed - even the double jointed ones seem to irritate them
    Did the kimberwick have a low port? It could just be that he was happier without the joint action.
    Nope, the kimberwick had a single break, as did a pelham we used once too. This horse just confuses me. I will probably look into legal dressage bits after this show
         
        07-09-2013, 03:23 PM
      #58
    Super Moderator
    The rules on bits gets more and more confusing due to the fact that so many different variations on bits and new bits keep coming on the market plus I think that the FEI rules are not always the same as the USEF/USDF
    I found this a while ago and saved it - might come in useful
    http://www.usef.org/documents/licens...rKnowledge.pdf
    Myler Bits: The USEF Legalized Myler Bits for Dressage Equine Learning Center
    http://www.usdf.org/docs/showflash/w...e/Saddlery.pdf
         
        07-09-2013, 03:43 PM
      #59
    Weanling
    One of the Myler ring snaffles is dressage legal. Many two jointed snaffles are. I know most of Herm Sprenger's two jointed snaffles are, and so are their knock offs. There's one made by Korsteel and another made by Horse and More under the supervision of Herm Sprenger, both of which are pretty affordable and dressage legal. I bought one of the Horse and More bits, and I really like it.
         
        07-09-2013, 06:36 PM
      #60
    Yearling
    Well here is some more bad news: My stepdad is now unwillinig to drive me to the derby because of family problems we are having. We already spent the entry fee, so we wasted some money. I have the oppurtunity to look for a ride by Saturday, but I know virtually no one.
         

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