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post #91 of 108 Old 11-27-2009, 08:43 PM
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I do agree that they are overused. I needed them with Ginisee, but I would not put them on "just because"

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post #92 of 108 Old 11-27-2009, 09:03 PM
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They might be overused, but I know what my horse and myself need.

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post #93 of 108 Old 11-27-2009, 09:25 PM
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^exactly.

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post #94 of 108 Old 11-27-2009, 10:04 PM
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Exacty Stormyblues! Ben used to be like riding a brickwall. We tried using just leg and a dressage whip, but finnally started using 1/4" blunt spurs. He now respects my leg and we are phasing out spurs (hopefully will end up just being for shows)
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post #95 of 108 Old 11-27-2009, 10:32 PM
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Yeah, like I'm riding without my spurs right now, and getting him to respond to my calf more, he just responds to my spur a little faster, which is needed in a dressage test!

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post #96 of 108 Old 11-28-2009, 09:41 AM
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I just don't see why it is needed ? How about you just train your horse to be that responsive off your calf ? I don't get it

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post #97 of 108 Old 11-28-2009, 02:08 PM
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^Because, as I have stated times before, he is VERY dull to the leg aids. Coming off a VERY responsive mare, it was a large change. I can ride him without spurs, but I use them to get a slighly more imediat reaction in the dressage ring, which helps him put in a better test, which is what you want out of your horse right? I'm not exessivly spuring him, I use my calf, and he responds to it, but I use the spur to get him to really come off my leg, and I also use them if I need to collect him, he is VERY soft mouthed, and so just a half-halt sometimes gets him to go down a gait, and it helps to give him a little bump with the spur to get him up and round and bouncy before a big verticle.

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I just got home from an amazing lesson with Dorothy Crowell *Olympic Eventer* and she just worked on this with Nelson and I and the others in my class.

Nelson is dead to my legs as well, but I learnt that I was the one who taught him that *well, I think it was his previous owner* but it doesn't matter - anyways, and a fellow rider in my class, is on a 16 year old TB who is not only dead to spurs, dead to his riders leg and dead to the crop - because he and previous riders have over used them without going back to proper training and basics.

So from a halt, she had us ask our horses to move into the walk with a light leg. She explained that horses can feel a fly on their body without seeing them, so they can feel our natural aids as well.

So a light leg, is very soft - you are touching the hair of your horses sides with your inner calf. If they don't respond, she had us kick them *A Pony Club Kick* is how she explained it. Then when we got the forward movement, bring them back down and ask again with a light leg. If no response, kick again until you get what you want.

Once I got Nelson to move into the walk with a very light leg, which is how it is supposed to be - we moved from halt to walk, to walk to trot.

It worked great. Even the horses who were so dead to the leg, had the light bulb turn on within a few attempts.

The key is to praise when you get the desired reponse when asking with a very light leg and release. When you don't get the response, the punnishment is the "Pony Club Kick".

LOL, Dorothy had to get on Nelson because I was being too soft with my kick, so she had to show me how to do it properly. But after a few attempts, all I had to do was gently touch his side and he was ahead of my leg.

It was a great learning experience. Riders who were using crops and spurs, were no longer needing them when they learnt this great tool.

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post #99 of 108 Old 11-28-2009, 09:11 PM
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that's great that you had such a good lesson !

Sorry that I started such a big fight on this thread....

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post #100 of 108 Old 11-28-2009, 09:31 PM
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I used spurs on mare to encourage her to have a quicker response but found that the prince ofwales were too much so I went to a blunt nubbie that doesn't really do anything but if I don't get the response I am looking for off my calf then I touch her with that. Also since having three knee surgeries the extreme kicking seems to not work so well so have a subtle motion works well with my mare. I do believe that depending on where you live some areas tend to have more spur happy people. Where I live the western riders use rowel spurs quite excessively and abusively as their seat is not very good.

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