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        11-19-2009, 09:42 PM
      #21
    Trained
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    I know what you mean, I have a "lovely" mother in law who is doing prelim with one horse who scares me when he jumps Novice and I have no clue why she keeps moving up - she feels if she gets through a course then they should move up even if they get time faults, or eliminated a few times at that level. She has never placed in the top 5 at any event at any level with this horse.
    Wow, your MIL is not representing this sport well at all. You should have her sit down and read many of Jim Woffords articles, which one of them states that you should spend a whole year at 1 level, and only move up if you place top 3 in 3 or more HT's. He stresses how important it is to take this sport seriously because of how dangerous it is, and sadly, your MIL is not.

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    She fails to teach basics.
    How sad :(

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    Then she went and got another 17 hand OTTB that she competes and I rode him once over 2'3" jumps and he scared the crap out of me I thought we were going to crash, my own ottb in retraining for a month jumped better then him and she had him a year and a half. Anyways she decided to enter this 17h into a BN event - she got elimated in stadium due to leaving the areana after crashing a fence - she was given permission to ride xc but one refusal she wa done. I was a jump judge and I nearly had a heart attack when she jumped the first fence I was at but then on the 5th her horse who isn't very neat with his front legs hit his knee on the jump and somersaulted over the jump and landed on her thankfully she was fine the horse took 5 min to get up and they had to take the saddle off to get him up (knocked the wind out of him) I called her later to make sure they were ok and she acted like it was no big deal he just has paint marks on his knees he's fine and in 2 weeks took him into another one which of course she was eliminated again for. No matter what I say her thoughts are as long as they keep jumping keep pushing. I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS AT ALL!!!!
    All I have to say is, how disgusting and how saddened I am for the horses that have to put up with her. She is jumping these horses scared, and by the sounds of it, breaking them down mentally.
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    Speaking of which, I've been meaning to ask you MIEventer if that is you in your avatar?
    LOL, you know how many people have asked me the same question? HA HA! I have recieved so many PM's, it's silly.

    If you look closely, you'll see the horse jumping the obsticle, and if you look under the horse that is in mid air, you'll see the rider about to take a swim.
         
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        11-19-2009, 11:04 PM
      #22
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by MIEventer    


    LOL, you know how many people have asked me the same question? HA HA! I have recieved so many PM's, it's silly.

    If you look closely, you'll see the horse jumping the obsticle, and if you look under the horse that is in mid air, you'll see the rider about to take a swim.
    I think she was asking if you personally are the one about to take a swim.
         
        11-20-2009, 09:45 AM
      #23
    Trained
    OH, no, that isn't me.
         
        11-20-2009, 03:53 PM
      #24
    Foal
    I agree with you fully MIEventer but more then one person has tried to talked to her. I have even done the passive aggressive by stating my goals out load "I am going to plan on taking Sky to a combined test next spring at 2' and if she does well another at 2'6" then only if we place well will we shoot for a event at Beginner novice and make sure she gets good clean safe rounds."
    What I don't understand is this wave of people writing books do a three star in 4 years or whatever. They are pushing to get these horses up the levels and then wonder why we are getting accidents. A four star is toward the height of a horses career once he hits that he has no where else to go and many of the good ones are 17 years old. We seem to miss the basics. I am firm believer that I start at Beginner novice if they are jumping that with ease then I will move them up to novice but they will stay there for a min. Of a year before I will attempt to move up to training. So many people think oh the jumps are the same size we can do it but don't see the tech. Difficulty in stadium and xc. Not only are they bigger but there are more of them and they need to go faster. So many horses trust their riders then they push them to quick and they ruin what could have been a potentially great horse.
    I read somewhere I think it was Jim Wofford was speaking about the increase in accidents in eventing and he was stating too many people are moving up the levels too quickly and miss important parts. For the accidents we are having are on jumps that are pretty forward and are not meant to ask serious questions but these horses aren't ready for what they have been asked. Of course he also stated a valid point I agreed with which was due to eventing putting so much emphasis on dressage our horses are lacking the ability to reacte.Meaning they are waiting everytime for the riders cue verses once they are set up they figure it out on their own. This is something I love that my trainer still does with me while I am still teaching my horse there comes a point when you did everything you can and you have to let the horse do the rest and stay out of their way which is sometimes harder then it sounds.
    Sorry sort of lengthy just wanted to share.
         
        11-20-2009, 04:21 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    Ugh, all those bratty children beating their horses with crops and jabbing them with their heels...are they seriously surprised that the horses get angry and strike out or rear up? This just goes to show that horses *are* more powerful than us, and you can not force them to do anything.
         
        11-20-2009, 08:23 PM
      #26
    Started
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    Originally Posted by Clementine    
    Ugh, all those bratty children beating their horses with crops and jabbing them with their heels...are they seriously surprised that the horses get angry and strike out or rear up? This just goes to show that horses *are* more powerful than us, and you can not force them to do anything.
    I saw no beating? I saw some dirt stops (such as near the beginning, pony starts to jump then goes back down)
         
        11-20-2009, 11:06 PM
      #27
    Trained
    I love it when the girl gets bucked off because she was whacking her horse unfairly at 2:11. I would of dumped her too.

    The rest are just as unncessesary as well - 4:15 because the horse wouldn't jump, 4:46, same reason, 4:57, same reason. And so on and so on.

    The more I watch this vid, I realize how the majority of the time, these riders are jumping the fence before their horses - which results in the majority of the refusals.

    LOL, you'd think after the umpteeth time your horse refuses and dumps you, that you'd learn to sit and wait?!
         
        11-20-2009, 11:24 PM
      #28
    Trained
    I don't see how she hit him unfairly at 2.11 ?

    He wouldnt move forward so she used her crop, then he bucked so she used her crop, then he bucked so she used her crop.....
         
        11-20-2009, 11:26 PM
      #29
    Trained
    Well, if it didn't work once, why do it again? And by the looks of it, the horse was moving forward in a canter. I see, absolutely nothing going on to of caused the horse to of gotten whacked that many times.
         
        11-20-2009, 11:30 PM
      #30
    Trained
    Here is a great video, man some of these crashes make me cringe!

         

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