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    06-11-2010, 12:41 AM
  #11
Trained
Haha. Now that you mention it, there aren't many 5lb babies, lol. I can't remember what it says. I give them a little less than the smallest dose, but like I said, I'd have to check. I think it holds a mL, and I give about 2/3 of it at a time.

Yes, I'm thinking about the Tylenol thing, I read the article posted and it seemed to indicate they would die in a matter of hours, or at least be showing symptoms of something in 4 to 12 hours. Since I have given it to four different cats probably a dozen times each in the last two years, the "damage" would have been done.

I'm caling my vet tomorrow, and I'll ask him about it. But it hasn't harmed one yet.
     
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    06-11-2010, 02:47 AM
  #12
Trained
Well, I doubt it's broken. I went out this evening and she was putting weight on it, it's hardly swollen at all, and I can touch it with her only getting slightly squirmy. So thank god for cats and their miraculous ability to heal themselves. O_O

So I gave her another dose of tylenol, and she's much more upset about being left in the tack room than she was this morning and last night. Which is a good thing. =]

About the tylenol, I give about .8 mL as a dose. I am almost out though, the morning will most likely be her last one, and I bought some ibuprofen after work [before I read this]. Maybe that's better? That's all we had with the infant dropper and weight. But, it's been 24 hours since her first dose of tylenol, and she is doing very well. Perhaps it's like what they say about beet pulp? Some feed it dry with no problems, some feed it soaked because they won't risk it?

Either way, I'm very happy about the turn of events. My runt kitty will be able to prance around the barn chasing butterflies soon. =]
     
    06-11-2010, 03:20 AM
  #13
Foal
Did you see any puncture wounds? It could be possible that she got into a cat or animal fight and got bit, and now her leg is infected. Worst, she broke it. She might have broken a toe perhaps, when my friends cat did that it wouldn't put any pressure on it's leg but it was not swollen which makes me wonder if the barn cat your speaking of got in a fight and its swollen with puss and stuff. Either way yes she would need a vet (which you know), either it would need to be repaired if broken, but if not the vet would give clavamox or betryl as antibiotics for the infection/swelling.
I have read tylenol is poisionous, but I think I saw somewhere about advil, you'd have to check.
For now it would be great if they can limit her movement (keep her in a bathroom or something) where she isn't required to move far to get food and relieve herself, away from other cats/dogs etc) until she gets to the vet.
I hope your friend is willing to spend the money to fix her leg, if not it would be sad... poor kitty. Sending positive thoughts.
     
    06-11-2010, 12:57 PM
  #14
Trained
I did manage to feel around it a bit yesterday and even squeeze a bit. I couldn't feel any puncture wounds or wounds at all, so that's definitely a plus. I was really worried it was a fight at first, and that if the bone broke and the infection got into the bone... ugh.

She was tons better last night, as I said in my last post, so hopefully she's also better today and I can do some more palpation and actually look at it. I did smell it last night though, because I would have smelled if it were infected. So far, so good. =]

Haven't heard back from the owner at all, which just makes me so mad. If you got a phone call saying your cat might have broken it's leg, wouldn't you hurry to do something about it?

I'll try to get a picture of her today. She's an adorable Mane Coon, with a goofy, crooked face. She's the "not right" one of the litter, and you can see it in her face. But still, very adorable. =]
     
    06-11-2010, 09:07 PM
  #15
Started
While you are trying to take care of animals that don't belong to you, giving them toxic medications is not in the best interest of the cats nor yourself as you are not the owner No matter what we tell you, you say you have done it before and will keep giving it because they haven't died. Any type of acetophenimin can be a toxic dose to a cat or dog, while it might not kill them immediately, it can effect their liver and do damage down the road
You say the owner doesn't care about the cats, but the fact is, the owner has all the say about his/her animals, not you. If I found out someone was medicating my animals without my permission,especially with human medication, ,closing them in a tack room, etc there would be problems.
I work for a vet and have for many many years, we see lots of pets come into the clinic being poisoned by their owners because they medicated the pet themselves. Many have died.
I know from your previous posts that you will argue with me and all others who say you do anything wrong, but I think you need to realize you are NOT a vet and therefore have no right to treat an animal that does not belong to you regardless of whether you are trying to save,cure or help it. Actually, it is against the LAW to treat another persons animals with or without their permission without a veterinarians license. I hope you don't end up killing a cat because you feel the need to treat it yourself. I know you were trying to do the cat good, but since it doesn't belong to you, you really have no right, and especially if you don't even know the medication you give the animal is toxic to it.I realize you think all us adults are wrong, but in this instance you are actually breaking the law. Oh wait, that's right, you don't care about laws anyway, since you break the law in Washington every time you take your horse on a public road without a brand inspection. Silly me.
     
    06-11-2010, 09:21 PM
  #16
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
While you are trying to take care of animals that don't belong to you, giving them toxic medications is not in the best interest of the cats nor yourself as you are not the owner No matter what we tell you, you say you have done it before and will keep giving it because they haven't died. Any type of acetophenimin can be a toxic dose to a cat or dog, while it might not kill them immediately, it can effect their liver and do damage down the road
This. Please read and understand... Tylenol (and most human medications) are not designed for other animals' bodies. If one pill of Tylenol can take away an average sized man's aches and pains, and they weigh (on average, say) 150 lbs, as it's a nice round number you would have to use 1/30th of a pill, IF THAT, on a 5 lb cat to equal one dose IF pill:weight ratios were equal - and they are not.
A person can overdose on Acetophenimin fairly easily. Again, same logic as above; if you're giving a cat one pill of Tylenol, you're overdosing (based on ratios, NOT actual data) by 30 times. If you're giving a half pill, that's (again, ratios, not exact science) a 15 time overdose.
Some people can survive an overdose of drugs... some people can overdose many times and still be alive - but their bodies are not okay.
Then you factor in things such as that their kidneys and livers (heck, all the organs) are designed to handle substances differently than ours, and you soon realize the problem with medicating an animal like a human.
I hope my explanation makes sense.
     
    06-11-2010, 09:36 PM
  #17
Showing
If she is putting weight back on the foot, you should take her back to the barn. Either that or contact the barn owner and ask if you can keep her. Then of course you can do whatever you want with her.
I keep barn cats that number from a few to a dozen. Some tame some feral. I worm them and put flea stuff on the ones I can catch. If one is injured I figure its one less I have to feed. Maybe the owner of this cat feels the same way and will gladly give her to you.
My husband has "relocated" them on the rare occasion one gets a taste for chickens. Many farm folks keep cats for one purpose only, to keep mice and rats out of the barn. I don't get attached to mine and rarely name them beyond "the black one"
I'm sure this cat will be fine. I've had them come in swollen and bloody and they survive...or they die. Its life on the farm. I'm sure your barn owner can't afford to take every injured cat to the vet either. If you can't afford to either, I suggest you take it back to the barn. Sorry
     
    06-11-2010, 11:02 PM
  #18
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
While you are trying to take care of animals that don't belong to you, giving them toxic medications is not in the best interest of the cats nor yourself as you are not the owner No matter what we tell you, you say you have done it before and will keep giving it because they haven't died. Any type of acetophenimin can be a toxic dose to a cat or dog, while it might not kill them immediately, it can effect their liver and do damage down the road
You say the owner doesn't care about the cats, but the fact is, the owner has all the say about his/her animals, not you. If I found out someone was medicating my animals without my permission,especially with human medication, ,closing them in a tack room, etc there would be problems.
I work for a vet and have for many many years, we see lots of pets come into the clinic being poisoned by their owners because they medicated the pet themselves. Many have died.
I know from your previous posts that you will argue with me and all others who say you do anything wrong, but I think you need to realize you are NOT a vet and therefore have no right to treat an animal that does not belong to you regardless of whether you are trying to save,cure or help it. Actually, it is against the LAW to treat another persons animals with or without their permission without a veterinarians license. I hope you don't end up killing a cat because you feel the need to treat it yourself. I know you were trying to do the cat good, but since it doesn't belong to you, you really have no right, and especially if you don't even know the medication you give the animal is toxic to it.I realize you think all us adults are wrong, but in this instance you are actually breaking the law. Oh wait, that's right, you don't care about laws anyway, since you break the law in Washington every time you take your horse on a public road without a brand inspection. Silly me.
Wow. You seem to think you know me, but you have no idea. O_O I do have permission to mess with the cats. In fact, I take care of them every day and have done so their whole lives. I feed them, I put on the flea treatment, I let her know when something is wrong. She knows they get Tylenol when they hurt, she knows I put them in the tack room when they hurt. They kind of are my cats, she just pays for them. She cares about them, she's just an idiot. That being said, she has taken Dora to the vet. Dora and the carrier were gone when I went out to ride. I haven't talked to her, but I assume that's where she took her.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
This. Please read and understand... Tylenol (and most human medications) are not designed for other animals' bodies. If one pill of Tylenol can take away an average sized man's aches and pains, and they weigh (on average, say) 150 lbs, as it's a nice round number you would have to use 1/30th of a pill, IF THAT, on a 5 lb cat to equal one dose IF pill:weight ratios were equal - and they are not.
A person can overdose on Acetophenimin fairly easily. Again, same logic as above; if you're giving a cat one pill of Tylenol, you're overdosing (based on ratios, NOT actual data) by 30 times. If you're giving a half pill, that's (again, ratios, not exact science) a 15 time overdose.
Some people can survive an overdose of drugs... some people can overdose many times and still be alive - but their bodies are not okay.
Then you factor in things such as that their kidneys and livers (heck, all the organs) are designed to handle substances differently than ours, and you soon realize the problem with medicating an animal like a human.
I hope my explanation makes sense.
I do understand that, and it does make sense. But I don't give them a pill. Or 1/2 a pill or even 1/27 a pill. I give them a tiny bit of liquid stuff that comes in a dropper. They get 1/2 a mL. The dosage on the bottle says 1mL for a 12 - 15lb infant. So they are not being overdosing. If anything, they are under-dosing because I don't give them much.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
If she is putting weight back on the foot, you should take her back to the barn. Either that or contact the barn owner and ask if you can keep her. Then of course you can do whatever you want with her.
I keep barn cats that number from a few to a dozen. Some tame some feral. I worm them and put flea stuff on the ones I can catch. If one is injured I figure its one less I have to feed. Maybe the owner of this cat feels the same way and will gladly give her to you.
My husband has "relocated" them on the rare occasion one gets a taste for chickens. Many farm folks keep cats for one purpose only, to keep mice and rats out of the barn. I don't get attached to mine and rarely name them beyond "the black one"
I'm sure this cat will be fine. I've had them come in swollen and bloody and they survive...or they die. Its life on the farm. I'm sure your barn owner can't afford to take every injured cat to the vet either. If you can't afford to either, I suggest you take it back to the barn. Sorry
Our barn cats aren't the typical "barn cats." They are loved and spoiled rotten pets that just happen to live in the barn, lol. Dora IS at the barn, I never took her anywhere. My cat would be pissed, lol. And I also know she wouldn't take just any injured cat in, but we only have our cats. And I do believe if you are going to keep a pet [because these are pets] you should take it to a vet when it needs to see one. The same reason people take their horses and dogs. She bought a trap, and I catch and neuter/spay the ferals [it's free at N.O.A.H.] and release them. They never come back after that because the barn turns into the evil chop-shop, lol.

ON TYLENOL.

The article Always posted said it causes problems SOON. Actually, it said 4 to 12 hours. And it's never caused any problems. Ever. In two and a half years. If there was going to be any gradual deterioration of some organ, it would have happened to one cat in particular because she's the one that gets in fights.

The way I understand it, it causes problems when it's too much. Anything in high volumes can cause problems. But they aren't getting that much. They are not overdosing. If it's too much, their bodies can't process it, but when it's NOT too much, then can handle it. Make sense?

It makes me think of beet pulp. They say you can't feed it dry. There are scientific studies and articles written by vets stating the problems it can cause when fed dry. But there are people on this forum who DO feed it dry, and have fed it dry for years without a problem.

Now please, I am tired of being talked to like a child. I am not a child. I have never argued on this forum. I have never reacted in any way that would suggest I'm an immature child who thinks "all adults are wrong" and I don't "get mad when anyone tells me I'm wrong." I am an adult, who processes information and makes a decision based on facts provided and my own experiences, as well as experiences of people close to me. I respect almost everyone on this forum, and I will continue to respect them and treat them as I would every other person I come across. I realize that I do not know any of you, and I try not to make assumptions. Obviously, some members do not view the forum members the same way. You know what they say about assuming things, right?
     
    06-11-2010, 11:08 PM
  #19
Green Broke
It is wise, when asking for advice, to take the advice you receive.


Ie. "What can I do to help this cat?"

"Don't give it tylenol"

"Well, I'm still going to give it tylenol and ignore the scientific studies you give me. What else can I do for this cat?"



It makes a bit of a hypocrite out of you to say you are wanting to be a kind soul and help this animal out, yet you ignore the very valid advice you are given.

Overdoses of tylenol are proven to cause liver/kidney damage in HUMANS. I believe wyominggrandma can back me up in this, when I worked at a vet, kidney/liver failure was the NUMBER ONE cause of death for middle-aged/senior cats. Is this really a point to take a stance on for you? Why is it so important to give cats tylenol? Mild antibiotics or anti-inflamatories from the vet are often FAR cheaper than what you will pay over the counter for tylenol, and you have the bonus of knowing you are dosing correctly.
     
    06-11-2010, 11:15 PM
  #20
Trained
I do believe I have explained my reasons for giving it. And I am willing to take advice. After taking in, processing, and understanding said advice, I made a decision. Isn't that what I'm supposed to do?

Again. You all remember what they say about assuming things, right? =]
     

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