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post #81 of 85 Old 06-17-2014, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by horseluvr2524 View Post
You would not be happy if the bees were coming after you every time you want to go for a ride because your neighbors thought it would be a brilliant idea to put bee hives next to your horses and horse facilities. I have to ride really early in the morning or just before dark to avoid the bees.
Hey H2524, we're beekeepers and I wanted to chime in here.

First of all, it's really inconsiderate of your neighbour to keep hives so close to your boundary that they interfere with your use of your own property. It may or may not be illegal depending on your local legislation, so check. Either way, can you complain to your town bureaucracies because of nuisance? Also another thing - check with your department of agriculture. In many countries you have to have a license to keep bees and hives need to get inspected on a regular basis for disease and mismanagement. If your neighbour wasn't licensed in a place where licenses are required, they could be fined and/or the bees taken off them. You can basically ask at your department of agriculture about nuisance beehives and whether they have a beekeeper register and can deal with it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't licensed. I say that because part of proper bee management is to re-queen the hives with specially bred gentle queens every 12-24 months because otherwise hives re-queen themselves with increasingly aggressive queens (and therefore produce more aggressive workers) because of interbreeding with feral drones.

We have four hives in our orchard, next to the area that contains my horse tie rail, and have not had any issue with bees bothering us. I also often hang washing on lines in the orchard and don't get bothered unless I'm really close (within 3m) to a hive that hasn't been re-queened in a while. I've only been attacked once by a bee when not actually taking the hives apart, and that was a freak event, I think I must have accidentally partly squashed it or something when watering my vegetables, and boy did it go for me then, you should have seen me run! Got stung right on the rim of a nostril and my nose looked like a potato the next day. The bee pursued me stingless (they lose the sting immediately they sting you, and it dooms them to death because it tears up their abdomen) for another 400 metres and I was still running even though I knew this fact, because of the pain and because I wasn't sure if the original bee had any friends with her! Anyway, never another problem, just a one-off there.

It's not good to keep bee hives close to areas where horses are paddocked, because horses close to hives can get attacked, especially if they are sweating. That's why we have the hives near the utility area where I tie the horses when I'm working with them, and not right next to their actual paddocks. This way I will know if a problem is developing, stop a horse getting into trouble, and make a mental note to re-queen ASAP - which is what I would do if I suddenly got bothered by my bees.

Moving bee hives: The hive entrances have to be plugged up after dark when all the bees are "home" and then the hive has to be moved at least 2km to stop all the workers returning to the original hive position. The other alternative is to move the hive 1-2 m each evening until it is far enough away. You can't do that obviously, but if your neighbours won't, and you have no luck with your authorities, and there is no other way to stop this unacceptable situation then you can bait the bees on your side of the fence with a product called Ant-Rid (sugary liquid with borax in it). Place it in drops on a plate close to the target hive on your side of the fence to prevent non-target insects getting killed by the stuff. Stay away for a while because within a hour the bees will be all over the bait in droves and get quite aggressive. Borax isn't particularly toxic to people, so people won't be killed eating whatever trace they stick in the honey bees are making before they die within a day of eating. Repeat the procedure until no more bees.

Same concept of shooting a dog who is on your property and attacking things - do it if there is no viable alternative. You are entitled to protect yourself.
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post #82 of 85 Old 06-18-2014, 03:32 AM
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I agree with you 100%! The ONLY reason i say shoot the dogs because it is going to happen again. If things dont change and the owners wont do anything it will keep happening. If the owner (like this one) steps up and fixes things GOOD! it needs to happen more!

I had 4 wolf dogs growing up. Bella (mother was a wolf chow and father was a coyote possibly. They LOVED to come into the yard and "steal" Kiera away for a day or two. She would jump the fence when they came wandering around too). She was as sweet as can be, was quiet unless something was SERIOUSLY wrong. She also was a hunter and considered anything smaller than a cat food. She also was NOT strange dog friendly. She would wine and wag her tail but i knew the moment she could she was going straight for the other dogs neck. Knowing this i only ever had one incident and it was not from my handling. (guy dropped the leash for his pit bull after i kindly asked him to keep his day away from mine because she did not play nice. Never seen a pit go down so fast. 5 seconds flat 45lb bella had the 60lb pit by its neck and was slowly strangling it. Had to pull her off and tell him to get his dog.) I never EVER have had a dog bark all the time. The Harrier i have did for about a week then it slowly tapered off. Now he rarely barks.

I lived on a ranch for 2 years with llamas and horses (including foals) and never had an issue with my WOLF dogs going after livestock (the donkey may have had a hand in that lol). Her and her daughter took down an injured elk calf but that was about it (its nice when your dogs bring elk legs to your front door and dont bring you any of the good cuts lol).

Sadly people dont handle their dogs or discipline them right or at all. I work at a grooming salon and i get to see this ALOT first hand (mostly from smaller dogs). Its sad when the animals have to suffer for their owners stupidity. Glad nothing else got killed and no dogs had to be shot. If all owners were responsible no one would ever have to shoot a dog for this. Sadly its not Reality.
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post #83 of 85 Old 06-18-2014, 05:19 AM
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Yes, quite, and now I find myself once again repeating a little rhyme from a university fundraising paper I just posted in another thread:

Happy Is The Moron

Happy is the moron
He doesn't give a dam'n
I wish I were a moron
Oh no! Perhaps I am!

Such a simple, eloquent, apt little ode to life in this world. I had to put a camouflaging apostrophe into dam'n so that the forum software wouldn't obscure it with asterisks. Interestingly, it allows me to use the term moron. I think sometimes there are things that can only be said with words that are otherwise best sparingly used. I find this little poem very consoling and cathartic and hope some of you folks will too!
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post #84 of 85 Old 06-20-2014, 01:56 AM
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I wish I could have taken these dogs, I know a lot of peole say they are not fixable, but I took a 110 pound dog who had been a chicken killer to the extreme and rehabilitated him. He has not tried to kill a chicken since and I didn't use harsh methods. He can even be around baby chickens and o in the pens with them, I now have loose chickens in the yard with him, wont touch them. He is also good around bunnies and other small animals. Its possible for sure to rehabilitate, you just have to have the time to spend with them. I have worked with a lot of aggressive dogs in the past though and have some experience.
Im so sorry for your loss due to the ignorant owners. I wish more people took care of their animals
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post #85 of 85 Old 07-06-2014, 08:41 PM
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Could we get an update? I hope everything is working out and the problems have been solved.

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