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post #11 of 20 Old 08-12-2016, 07:05 PM
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For dairy goats, the ADGA (American Dairy Goat Assn.) provides a lot of learning aids to familiarize yourself with good structure. There is nothing like a mentor though; see if an Alpine breeder nearby would be willing to help you.

I know a wonderful dairy goat person in Wisconsin but she'll probably be too far away for you, she's south of Fond du Lac. Has Saanens.

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post #12 of 20 Old 08-12-2016, 07:17 PM Thread Starter
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You guys are a start. any help is wonderful. I LOVE HEAVY good articles full of facts. I'm putting together a post of the udders with a few pcs of the boers as I type
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Ok Udders! Tell me what we got good, bad, horrifying as far as teats and bags go.

Hopefully these are in the right order.

Alice is the one with the head that was slightly turned with the beard, standing by the feeder, shes the first udder.

Delicious I didn't post a picture of yet cause she clings to me like a leech. 2nd udder.

Sally is the 3rd udder, she is the 2nd to the last pic above the cream goat with the neck doodles.

Stay Puff is the 4th Udder. she is the drinking goat.

The rest are the 3 boers that got here a week ago.
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omg well it was an effort and I don't know how I managed to get two of the same pic up there. The pic in this post is Sally's udder
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A couple better pictures of Sally(Cream doe with neck glands) and Delicious (Lightly colored alpine)
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Here's a diagram of the parts of the rear udder and good photo of a close to ideal rear udder (Nigerian Dwarf as it happens).
It is obviously capacious. The teats are the right size and shape, are even, and point down (showing that there is no imbalance in the outer attachments, they hold the udder evenly on all sides, and the medial is also strong). Notice how extensively the udder is attached to the goat. That is going to keep the udder from sagging over multiple lactations. The medial ligament is neither too deep (dividing the halves into two saggy sides) or flat, which is weak. This is the kind of udder to breed for. Of course there is also the front udder . . .

Some of your udders are really not too bad. Compare them to the ideal and judge for yourself. I would say that every single one of them could be improved in attachment, though.
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Speaking from recent experience with my old-lady-goat, I would be very suspicious that that second goat in the OP [the "palomino spotted" one] has foundered.
The way she has her toes "up," coupled with the ridge-y appearance of her horns, and the fact you said that her hooves were extremely long when you got her ALL are huge founder indicators. How are her hooves? Are they especially hard compared the others?

I might be totally wrong, but founder, and chronic founder, is very under-recognized in goats. For myself, my 14 year old goat recently foundered quite badly after having a horn amputated. Her founder this time was triggered because she has chronic laminitis that no one/I never recognized, and her body was already super stressed. Adding one more stressor caused her to go over the edge.
It also turned out that her weight issues [she's been next to impossible to get any weight on] were due to something like chronic sugar intolerance - my best guess.
After getting her on 1.5% of her body weight in soaked beet pulp shreds, plus .5% of her body weight in Tripe Crown Lite [for horses], she's put on weight for the first time! It's only about 3lbs of feed per day [she's about 90lbs and she doesn't have many teeth so I can't count on her grazing] and I've had to cut that extra feed back so she wouldn't get too fat!
I've fed her COB and Calf Manna and all the higher-sugar "puts weight on fast" stuff for years, with no results.


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Awesome Ladies thank you for being so patient with me!! Ok, so look for good attachment, and a nice medial ligament. Also with the founder I am not sure as Ive never seen a goat founder but that would make sense. yes they are wicked hard and grow STUPID! I mean everywhere. We are either going to butcher her or sell her as a pet to someone or for butcher. Her and one other goat have horns that have the funky ridge but shes not lame that I can tell. Gretta, the French alpine mix that brown in the first post. Her horns are ridged too. Supposedly she is a young goat but I have no clue. He bought half these right after we had started dating from a lady. I never met her but considering Daisey, the founder goat, had aladin boots for feet that they just didn't care at all. So don't take her word.
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How is the goat project going? :)

I love goats, I hope everything is working out for your and your herd.
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So we are down to 5 goats, the 5 that were CEA Neg, still need to do the CL testing. 2 saanens and 3 boers. They are spoiled rotten! Fat and happy, they have their copper boluses, loose mineral, baking soda, and I still want to get kelp meal.
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