Also, I appear to have found two goats that I can take if I'd like... a 5 month old wether "Dairy Cross" who's supposedly super sweet, and a 9 year old Angora doe who the current owner would be happy to shear for me on a yearly basis if I'd like........ ???? I thiiiink (at least according to this lady's Craigslist ad) the doe is the mom of the wether...
I would think sheep and goats would stand the same chance against coyotes.
When we had the first two goats, we would let them in the yard in the afternoons with the horse in just two ropes of electric wire (but not hooked up the electric) they never once escaped. I am not sure why they were such good goats, the ones we have now aren't happy unless they are doing something naughty to make me yell that them lol!
Hahaha that's great!
*crosses fingers that I get non-houdini goats*
I've been talking to this lady with those goats and apparently these ones are different than the ones she posted the ad about. In my initial communication with her, I told her that I was looking for companion goats and so these are her "perfect companion" goats. Apparently "the dairy goats WOULD NOT be good companions". Well then! Lol
She described the older female as "very friendly" and the wether as "super sweet"...is there goat selling "code" like there is with horses? Is the "super friendly" one going to be stupidly attached to me immediately? Lol
Other bonus about this is that you know me, I loooove the old animals. And guess what? An old lady goat? Um yes.
This is all sounding a bit too good to be true though. I mean, she's even willing to hold them for me for a couple weeks until I get the pasture all squared away enough...
I've asked if I can come see them before committing, just to get a feel for their personalities and to make sure they aren't some weird neglect case+that this lady is actually legit.
She's "willing to let them go to [me] because [I] sound like the perfect home for them" for $150. Is that reasonable? Basically $75/goat?
I would have just accepted it but then she added that she paid $450 for the doe "just" two years ago but due to hay prices, she just wants to find them good homes... That sort of line, trying to "convince" someone they're getting a good deal, always puts me a little on edge... Is this reallly a good deal? Or is she trying to make a bad deal sound good to an obvious no0b?
So far she sounds on the up and up (good grammar, friendly, etc) but yknow...always pays to be careful!
Thank you! You guys are the best!! :)
And Lockwood, I'm SO looking forward to your pm of links. SO excited. I love research.
That price sounds about right for "pet" goats. She may have paid that much for the doe 2 years ago, but if she is 9 she is getting up there in years as far as producing kids depending on how she was taken care of. Unless she has really good bloodlines someone wanting to breed may not take a chance paying that for an older doe.
If these are her pets, then I don't think it would be odd she'd hold them for a home that is going to care for them. I'd rather sell my "pet" goats to someone like you rather than have to worry about someone eating them!
Lockwood...your description of the nigerians is absolutely spot on!! Trying to corral 20 kittens....:ROFL:
Personally....I'd get rid of said coyote BEFORE getting goats or sheep. The time to find out that he's going to eat them is NOT when he is engaging in said behavior.
$150 for the 2 of them? I personally wouldn't pay that for an older nanny and a wether. And they are her pets???? Why does she want to get rid of her pets? I can understand the hay situation but is she getting rid of the whole herd then? If she paid 450 for a 7 yr old doe....she's nuts unless there is something really super special about her bloodlines. Yep, be wary of the "codes" just like in horses....if it sounds too good to be true...it is. Very friendly means that she's going to be in your pocket the entire time and you're going to have to fight to get in and out of a gate without her getting out too. OR she's extremely obnoxious and butts you all the time, etc. Very sweet....they all are as babies!
Here is MY philosophy on buying goats....if I can't get what I pay for them at the sale barn, then I don't pay that much for them. 9 years old is not going to bring much at the sale because it's considered to be OLD. She'd sell for maybe $50 around here. The wether? 5 months old? He'll sell for around $50 too...depending on how big he is. (85 cents a pound if he's truly an angora cross....more if he's a boerX) Keep in mind that you can probably go to the sale barn (if you have one in your area that does goat sales) and pick up a baby for $20. You can then "train" it however you want because it's definitely easier to train a young one than an old one.
It might be an ok deal for you, but I'd be leary of it.....
I don't know about to goats at your place with fencing.
Years ago when we lived on one acre we had one goat that stayed in the house yard pretty easy, she only got out once.
I do have a friend who has one goat at the moment, I'm not sure what breed but it is female. She lives on 40 acres with just basic fencing for horses. The goat mostly just hangs out with her two dogs or grazes out with her 15 horse herd. She also responds to her name and particapates in her trick shows. She loves riding the ponies, giving hand shakes and likes to go for a walk when she rides her horses. She is learning more tricks and is only 1 yr old but I think it depends a lot of the goats personality.
I'm going to go meet them on Friday (I told her I needed to meet them before really considering them) so we'll see, I suppose!
I'm not sure exactly what roles these two play at her place. It sounds like she has a small herd of dairy goats that she's also trying to disperse. It appears (also the location she's located in suggests this) that she's the type that gets a bunch of one kind of animal, has them for a while, then gets a bunch of another kind of animal. In talking to her, it sounds like she just got a few senior horses (???) and she's realizing that feed costs for however many goats and however many horses might be more than she can pay... Weird, I know. Redneck-type people in Oregon are nuts.
The coyote, I wish he were gone too. However, in Oregon it's illegal to "do" anything about coyotes within city limits. And since Lacey and I live basically in the midst of the city (hard to explain but somehow the city has spread around the hill we live on, leaving the hill relatively country-ish but surrounding us in city-ness), our hands are tied.
The Angora's age: I totally agree. However, I really would prefer an older animal. Since I'm getting this for Lacey, and Lacey is 27, I don't want to be looking at dedicating another 10+ years to a pair of goats, after Lacey passes. I'm of the mind that you don't just get an animal for funnsies. Once you call it yours, it's yours for the long haul, you know?
Not to mention that I have a much better good relationship track record with older animals than young ones.
All the prices I've seen around here for goats are $200+ for a pair, at least. Maybe it's an area thing?
Horse prices haven't fallen here either - the usual price for a young greenbroke QH is about $1500, on the low end. Seeing prices like $4000 isn't unusual. It's craaaazzzzy.
Do you have any tips for finding a sale barn? I tried doing a Google Search and that was not helpful (Barns for sale, anyone? Haha). I know there are a few livestock auctions around but they're a minimum of 3 hours away and with gas prices like they are, even if I got the best deal in the world, buying these two I've found might end up being cheaper... :/
I posted a "Goats wanted" ad on Craigslist as well, hopefully that'll get a few hits.
So pretty much the impression I'm getting about goats getting out is that I should still fix up the fences and all, of course, but if they do get out it's not like they're going to go bopping all over the hill? They'll probably just stick around pretty close to their "home pasture"?
For fencing reference, here's a bad picture of the "sheep fencing" up by the gate (the least secure area). It's about 2ft tall there. Is just adding another 2 feet of height possibly enough or does more look like it's needed?
I've been trying to find a sale barn that does horse sales....Yep, love those "barns for sale" LOL If there isn't one in your yellow pages, then it probably isn't cheaper to buy a goat thru one. The coyote problem: Well.....you don't really want to know what I'd suggest then. Hehehe The fence looks like it would be ok with another 2 feet added. Try it. The worst thing is that the goats will get out and you'll have to chase them down. That is a definite advantage to getting a "very friendly" goat. Hahahahaha
Lockwood...your description of the nigerians is absolutely spot on!! Trying to corral 20 kittens....:ROFL: Sounds like you and I have had the same experience.
Keep in mind that you can probably go to the sale barn (if you have one in your area that does goat sales) and pick up a baby for $20. You can then "train" it however you want because it's definitely easier to train a young one than an old one. Wallaby, nothing wrong with a sale barn, IF you know a little about goats first. Where I live they are a dumping ground for any and all unwanted or sick animals. You might save some money upfront, but it could come back to bite you. Besides, a good seller/person will provide you with follow up because without fail the new goat/goats will do something that leaves you clueless. It is nice to be able to talk to someone right away when that happens.
It might be an ok deal for you, but I'd be leary of it.....
-Don't be afraid to hem about the price a little bit. After all, you are a good home and that is important to some sellers.
Are those wires on the inside of the fence electric? If they are, the fence should be okay. If not, the goat will probably stand on the fence and push the boxwire down.
I wouldn't buy a goat at a sale barn. There is usually (not saying always) a reason someone would send a goat to a sale barn and not sell it off the farm. I'd worry about it being sent to the sale because of disease, or it picking up something at the sale. I'd rather buy from a private home where they know the goats and can help you out if you need it.... Or maybe take the goats back if it didn't work out for you? I think the price she wants for those goats is very reasonable. I generally see pet goats go for $100-200 a peice around here, much higher for registered goats.
No I dont' think they would be running around the hills if they got loose, unless something was after them! If I forget to shut the door in the barn, ours will creep out like frightened deer, and if anything spooks them they all freak out and run back into their stall lol. We have one that is overly friendly, and makes it out almost daily when I come out with the wheel barrow. She will wander around the yard until I get a leash and put her back. Most of ours come when called, and come even faster if you have a grain scoop!