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    01-21-2012, 01:37 AM
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Thank you all for the great advice. It is very much appreciated. I am writing it down so it will be handy when I go shopping. I am very excited! Nervous, too.

I had planned to go with the metal t-post and the wire. It sounds like I should do a little research first, though.

I actually had to look up the step-in-posts...sad I know. I think it'd be great to let my horses graze my yard during the summer. It's a win/win...they get their bellies filled with grass and I have less mowing to do. I thought that wasn't going to be possible, though, because I have a black walnut tree in my front yard. All I have to do is put up temporary fencing! That's great news!

I sound dumber and dumber with each post don't I . We do fix the fence when it breaks at my current barn, though. So I can do that. I will also call my vet in case of emergency. So once I get set up, my horses will be fine here.

MHF, how far are you from me? Any chance you can send your hubby over . I'd love to see pics of your stalls when you have time.

Delf, I have been checking for conveyer belts, but no luck yet. I remember you mentioning a while back they would be good to put on my cement floor. I'm really hoping I can find some. It will be very expensive to put stall mats from every stall all the way out to the entrance of the barn....which is what I will have to do if I don't find any. I can't risk our horses falling on that slick cement floor.

Thank you all very much for the advice. It is helping me more than you know. Any little thing you can think of to add will be much appreciated.
     
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    01-21-2012, 09:46 AM
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MHF, how far are you from me? Any chance you can send your hubby over . I'd love to see pics of your stalls when you have time.
I'm a good ways from you Sandy. Though if you catch me on the right day, I might send you my hubby I'll get some pics today when I go back out to the barn.
     
    01-22-2012, 12:25 AM
  #13
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I'm looking forward to them. Thanks!
     
    01-22-2012, 06:36 AM
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I don't know anything about building stalls, but something to consider with electric fencing, is that if it is solar powered, the first shock is a decent one and then subsequent shocks are weak until it recharges.

I don't know how typical that is, but at my last barn it was that way. I prefer to use the tape rather than the wire as I think it gives a better visual barrier.
     
    01-22-2012, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sandy2u1    
I actually had to look up the step-in-posts...sad I know. I think it'd be great to let my horses graze my yard during the summer. It's a win/win...they get their bellies filled with grass and I have less mowing to do. I thought that wasn't going to be possible, though, because I have a black walnut tree in my front yard. All I have to do is put up temporary fencing! That's great news!
If you have a Tractor Supply near you, that is the place to go to find a lot of fencing options. 'Real' step-in posts are a little pricey (IMHO)...we use Steel Electric Fence Post, 48 in.. - 3601009 | Tractor Supply Company (basically rebar with a spade like a t-post, $1.49) with insulated yellow toppers Red Snap'r Rod Post Cap Insulator, Yellow, Pack of 25 - 3600249 | Tractor Supply Company ($5.99 for 25) every 30 feet and polyrope Fi-Shock™ Sure Corral Monofil Polyrope, 656 ft. Spool - 3600891 | Tractor Supply Company ($49.99+a charger if you don't have one) If your horses are used to/respect an electric fence, you'll have no problems at all. We've been using this for 6+ years for our mares. Here they are cutting some of our grass for me, all for under $100 (beats mowing all day long)....

     
    01-22-2012, 11:47 PM
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Thank you for your input, Alex. I was thinking that in the big picture, the solar powered fence would save me some money. I don't want to do that, though, if it only has one good shock. The visibility of the fence is important. My daughters horse is 26 years old. I can't say for sure if she has vision problems or not. I affectionately refer to her as our granny horse, though. I can't help but think with age....whether it be human, horse, dog, cat, whatever, some of the senses become dulled. I don't really know how to install the tape. Do you use the same plastic pieces on the t-posts?

Paint, thank you for your help. I do have a tractor supply very close to where I work. It is very thoughtful that you added the links for what I should buy. Very helpful. Both of my horses respect electric fencing.
     
    01-23-2012, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sandy2u1    
I don't really know how to install the tape. Do you use the same plastic pieces on the t-posts?
Electric tape is very easy to install but you need to make sure you have the correct insulators for the width of tape you use. I think the tape comes in 1/2", 1" and either 1.5 or 2" widths. The insulators are also different than those you would use for electric rope or braid and you will choose insulators made for T-posts, wooden posts or plastic round posts. Thicker 3/8" electric rope or braid in white is easily visible. This may be a better option if you live in an area with lots of wind as the tape has a tendency to fray a bit. I pasted a link to the insulators section at the Farm Supply store so you can see the differences between insulators.

Also, if you are worried about visibility, you can tie some short pieces of fluorescent plastic tape (the kind you would mark trees with) every few feet or so. I have seen this on barbed wire and electrified galvanized wire fences.

Electric Fence Insulator & Tape
     
    01-23-2012, 12:31 PM
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Got some pics, but they are crummy cell pics. Forgive my collection of cobwebs...can't wait for spring so I can get out the power washer! The small stalls are 12x14, end stalls are 14 x 24, foaling stalls (didn't get a pic) are 16 x 24.


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Each stall has globe covered light inside and power box on outside (elimates need for extension cords for fans or clippers)
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Each has a tie ring
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Divider wall between stalls
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Back wall -insulated
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Corporal and draftgrl like this.
     
    01-23-2012, 11:52 PM
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Be very careful about putting conveyor belting on the floor. Unless you keep it absolutely dry, it is as slippery as all get-out. Also, if you find conveyor belting, look at the cut end of it. Does it have steel in it? If so, don't use it. Fabric conveyor belting is available and works fine on walls. I tried belting on floors, but since my horses were never stalled, the floor was bare and the belting was dangerous. I now have cement and wood floors.

Instead of going to Lowe's for lumber, is there a lumber mill anywhere near you? You don't need to buy dressed wood for stalls. See if you can find a supplier for rough wood to $ave. Just watch your dimensions as rough wood is usually 1/2" larger; a rough 2x6 is actually 2x6, while a dressed 2x6 is 1-1/2 x 5 1/2.

Buy softwood -- any hardwood will drive you nuts to work with. Pine and spruce are great. Cedar not so much and it's pricier too.

Treated lumber I personally stay away from. Supposedly horses won't chew on it, but I'm not convinced. After doing cayenne pepper, sunlight dish soap, vinegar and I don't know what else, I finally switched to putting carpeting on the wood edges that my mare used to eat. Problem solved!
     
    01-24-2012, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
Instead of going to Lowe's for lumber, is there a lumber mill anywhere near you? You don't need to buy dressed wood for stalls. See if you can find a supplier for rough wood to $ave. Just watch your dimensions as rough wood is usually 1/2" larger; a rough 2x6 is actually 2x6, while a dressed 2x6 is 1-1/2 x 5 1/2.
Yes. If you have a saw mill in your area, you can buy rough cut lumber and save yourself a ton of $$. Keep in mind, though, when you buy green lumber, you'll have to store it to let it dry and it will shrink as it dries.

A note about Lowes (and Home Depot). When we built our barn last year, I compared prices between the chains and our nearby lumber yards. Believe it or not, for common, high volume dimensions of finished lumber (2x4, 2x6, 4x4), Lowes/Home Depot were cheaper than the lumber yards. We wound up using Home Depot for the common dimensions, and a lumber yard for the rest (long 2x12s, 6x6, etc). Lowes/Home Depot do make up for their lumber prices with the higher price of fasteners (nails/screws)...go to a lumber yard for those if you can. Also, consider exterior screws instead of nails...you'll save yourself some maintenance with pesky nails that want to back out over time. Use square or star drive heads (not phillips) and you can go fast driving them with a cordless drill.

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Treated lumber I personally stay away from. Supposedly horses won't chew on it, but I'm not convinced.
We only use pressure treated lumber for posts and the bottom row, I.e. Anything that can have ground contact. Horses will chew PT lumber and although they no longer use arsenic, the chemicals (typically a copper product) now in PT lumber are still insecticides.
     

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