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post #11 of 22 Old 04-25-2014, 07:26 PM
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I raise sheep. We had some stray dogs we had taken in. They ripped up some of my breeders. They were gone before nightfall. Once a dog tasted blood they will always go after things. And can even go after children. No rescues will take them and they don't stop. Bullet in the head or taken to the vet for putting down is the only way to stop them. Or do you wanna lose more lambs? Or a foal? Or a grandchild?
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post #12 of 22 Old 04-27-2014, 12:07 PM
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You.can stop a dog from chasing/ killing sheep but it sure isn't pretty nor is it done with the positive training.

Shropshire Rosie is right in that a mean old ram can put a dog in its place but it takes the right ram and depends on the size of the dog.
The other way is to take the lamb it has killed and tie it around the dog's neck and leave it there until it has rotted.
Third way is to catch the dog in the act and give it a darn hard thrashing, I do not mean a couple of whacks I mean a real thrashing.

None of these will necessarily stop a dog once it has killed.

The fact that the dogs are allowed to wander loose when they had shown interest says that you are not reading them well. Personally the dog would be gone of he was with me.
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post #13 of 22 Old 04-28-2014, 10:17 AM Thread Starter
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Sorry I haven't replied before now. I have been sick. Anyway Foxhunter, I agree the dog would be gone if it were mine, but actually it probably wouldn't have killed the lamb if he were mine. I read the dogs very well. The first time my dobe showed interest, she was told to leave it. If she had gone back, she would have received a good smackk with a lunge whip. I did smack her other dog, and he stopped coming around. The y problem is, i' m not there all of the time. My daughter wants to try to change the dog that killed the lamb, but I told her it might be impossible. She is going to try a shock collar on the highest setting, and because there are no other animals at her farm that he might go after, I suggested that she get an old hen destined for the stew pot and start with the hen in a cage. I told her to shock the heck out of him if the dog even looked at the bird, then move up from there to eventually having the hen loose. I don't want people to think I'm mean - I am not. I just believe drastic action has to be taken or the dog will be put down. Thank you for all of the responses, and I will keep you all posted.
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post #14 of 22 Old 04-28-2014, 02:39 PM
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I am another one to suggest the Shock collar.
Make sure you get one with a "Continuous" setting. They usually with shock for a solid 8 seconds which is generally 6-7 seconds longer than you'll ever need.

I train retrievers for AKC Hunt Tests and also Beagles for gun dogs. Generally there is a LONG list of steps you take to "Collar Condition" a dog. Basically when you start using the collar they have no idea what it means. It is up to the trainer to teach this.

THE EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE: basically what you need.
When dogs run off game (or kill farm animals) the best way to break this is to make that animal a ""bad experience. Every beagle in the world that is any good at running rabbits has, at one point, been "Deer Broke".

We do this by doing the same thing your going to do. They see deer, we crank the collar way up, they chase and we let them have it. One time and most will actually shy away from even the deer track smell.

No, its not fun... and no its not pretty. They usually cry, barrel roll, and come sulking back to you at mach 5. But it works and it saves live ;)

One thing I really want to stress is for your daughter NOT buy a cheap pet-smart one. Brands to avoid are: Petsafe. Garmin Sport models. They will never have enough juice to get the job done.

Brands I would look at:
Tri-Tronics Pro 100, 200, 500 or Tri-Tronics Classic 70 or Field 90
Sport dog 1825 or even the 1225. AVOID the Sportdog 400, 425, 800 or 825.
Dogtra 300m or Dorgtra 1900

If you cannot afford a good one find a store that have a 60 day return policy on electronics and use it then return it.
I hate to suggest that but if you buy cheap you won't get the job done. Trust me. I use electronic collars every day. $$$ makes a HUGE difference.

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post #15 of 22 Old 04-28-2014, 06:04 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks! I do have a dogtra collar but I never needed it for my Dobes. Dals on the other hand can be pretty stubborn. Hopefully this will work.

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post #16 of 22 Old 04-28-2014, 06:58 PM
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Once a dog kills, it is near impossible to stop it. In my opinion, and animal killing dog has no place on a farm with animals. It would either live in an escape proof pen, which I think cruel, or it would be OFF THE FARM.
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post #17 of 22 Old 04-29-2014, 03:14 AM
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A shock collar is fine and they do work but this dog has actually killed. They are fine of someone is around to press the button but, if it is allowed on its own or with the other dog then it will not work.
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If they were mine the dog would sadly have been put down, our collies are working sheep dogs and love lambs and our Jack Russell isn't allowed near animals as you can't trust her though she has never touch a sheep.

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post #19 of 22 Old 05-06-2014, 06:31 PM
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Two dogs constitute a pack. It is absolute folly to attempt to keep these dogs. Go on youtube and check out children who've been attacked by a dog. If your daughter insists on keeping these dogs, she's the one who needs the shock collar to get her to listen.
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Since that incidence, we have set up both the dal that didn't kill the lamb and my Dobe, with the help of a cooperative neighbor. Neither one has shown any interest in either lambs or chickens, even when no one was around and the two were together. Interestingly, that dal has even left the cats alone since then. Believe me, I understand about pack mentality, and so does my daughter. I was actually asked to testify as an expert witness in dog behavior in several murder trials involving dogs, so am not ignorant of dog behavior. Those two dogs do not get into trouble even when running together. Since the incident, the dog that killed the lamb is only let out when it has a shock collar on and is under supervision. So far the dog sticks to my daughter like glue and hasn't done anything to warrant a shock, so we can't correct it yet. My daughter is very well aware of the probability she will have to get rid of that dog, however getting rid of the other dog that has done nothing wrong and has apparently learned to leave stock alone would be a little bit of a hysterical reaction at this point. Believe me, we WILL watch all of the dogs closely for any negative behavior in the future. Neither my daughter nor I want any more stock killed. I do thank all of you for your replies and suggestions, and I will keep you informed of any updates, both good and bad.

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