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post #41 of 50 Old 07-07-2014, 05:49 PM
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I vote for searching for a rescue that has been around awhile, a rescue that has the best chance to find that home and/or rehab.
Why make it someone elses problem when all the Op has to do is not let the dog run willy nilly.
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post #42 of 50 Old 07-07-2014, 07:46 PM
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Why make it someone elses problem when all the Op has to do is not let the dog run willy nilly.
The options that have been given are rehoming or euthanizing. Your suggestion was touched on, but she doesn't seem capable of doing that. Read.

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Just a little comment - and I'm only on page 3 with my reading - I don't think it's necessary to keep a dog like that away from other animals for the rest of its life; I think it's necessary to re-train it. A handler works with a dog like that with standard dog training and then increases exposure to different sorts of animals under controlled conditions (leash at first, etc) with the handler present and teaching expected behaviour. That way you can teach just about any dog to do the expected thing when with the handler. When not working with the handler, the dog is restrained like all dogs should be. Just because a dog is displaying an undesirable behaviour doesn't mean it's necessarily like that forever.
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Really, have you read the posts?! Seriously, when people are quoting others and getting angry, I call that arguing. Something beneficial to the OP should be directed to her.
Maybe you should spend some time reading the posts.

There is a thread already up that would be a far better place for this "discussion". It's called Dangerous dogs. Any dog that kills any animal is considered Dangerous, so don't get your shorts in a twist over a title. But please, take the arguments there are start your own thread.
Well, now I need to eat crow! I just went and actually read the Dangerous dogs thread (I would have sooner but had a dentist appt. The title was being facetious, about a good dog from what is often considered a dangerous breed, interesting that the dog is a GS. But, it is NOT the right thread to discuss a problem dog.
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Just a little comment - and I'm only on page 3 with my reading - I don't think it's necessary to keep a dog like that away from other animals for the rest of its life; I think it's necessary to re-train it. A handler works with a dog like that with standard dog training and then increases exposure to different sorts of animals under controlled conditions (leash at first, etc) with the handler present and teaching expected behaviour. That way you can teach just about any dog to do the expected thing when with the handler. When not working with the handler, the dog is restrained like all dogs should be. Just because a dog is displaying an undesirable behaviour doesn't mean it's necessarily like that forever.
The dog is two and a half, would have been easier at a younger age. That is why I believe the dog would be best off with a rescue, a good, reliable rescue. Then it could be assessed by knowledgeable people who would be in a much better position to determine if the dog can be rehabbed.
HarleyWood, if you can afford it you could take her a trainer (check all references) to evaluate the dog. Maybe a trainer could help you enough to keep your dog. I hope you have been considering all the advise that has been offered. You are in a horrible situation. I'm sure you love your dog, but please understand the danger that she is in and could pose to other animals. One complaint could also cost your parents their homeowners insurance. I know it's not fair, but almost every insurance group lists dangerous dogs as a reason to deny insurance, or add dearly to the price.
A dog that has been allowed to kill animals without any restrictions is danger to people in a very scary way. They do not have to have ever shown aggression to humans to have a running, squealing toddler set off it's prey drive. I'm not stating for a fact that your dog would do that, but I certainly would not be wiling to take that chance.
Your dog NEEDS a professional, either with you or in a rescue. And she needs to be contained until a professional says otherwise.
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A dog that has been allowed to kill animals without any restrictions is danger to people in a very scary way. They do not have to have ever shown aggression to humans to have a running, squealing toddler set off it's prey drive. I'm not stating for a fact that your dog would do that, but I certainly would not be wiling to take that chance.
Yes. This. Exactly. It DOES happen just that way. Yes, I have seen it. You don't ever want to.
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post #47 of 50 Old 07-07-2014, 09:21 PM
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Please let me make one comment not directed to this situation.
There are not too many things I like better than a good heated debate! I love it when people feel so strongly about their views that they are willing to argue their points. I would have been thoroughly enjoying the debate and even joining in way more.
Unfortunately this is a sad situation concerning a young woman and a dog she loves. She has a, potentially, heart breaking decision ahead of her. We may have our own opinions about the dog, but the owner could use some compassion. She may not have done what we would have, but she is a human being.

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Well, now I need to eat crow! I just went and actually read the Dangerous dogs thread (I would have sooner but had a dentist appt. The title was being facetious, about a good dog from what is often considered a dangerous breed, interesting that the dog is a GS. But, it is NOT the right thread to discuss a problem dog.
Yes, just talking more about "bad breed" stereotypes and bad breeding ruining many amazing breeds. The OP of that thread posted some adorable pictures of her "vicious" dog. While "problem dogs" can tie into that loosely it is not about that. (Another example of how the discussion develops, as the thread started with a couple cute pictures)

I also believe people should start their own instead of posting on someone elses.

Either way, I hope the OP of THIS thread comes back!
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Please let me make one comment not directed to this situation.
There are not too many things I like better than a good heated debate! I love it when people feel so strongly about their views that they are willing to argue their points. I would have been thoroughly enjoying the debate and even joining in way more.
Unfortunately this is a sad situation concerning a young woman and a dog she loves. She has a, potentially, heart breaking decision ahead of her. We may have our own opinions about the dog, but the owner could use some compassion. She may not have done what we would have, but she is a human being.
Just wanted to say in response. I don't feel anyone has been uncompassionate or cruel to the OP or has put her down in any way shape or form.

There have been many suggestions made and several ideas come up again and again. Hopefully the OP can get something out of it.
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Just wanted to say in response. I don't feel anyone has been uncompassionate or cruel to the OP or has put her down in any way shape or form.

There have been many suggestions made and several ideas come up again and again. Hopefully the OP can get something out of it.
Oh no, I didn't mean that anyone had, intentionally, been mean; it's just that when people get emotional about their beliefs it can be overwhelming to the person caught in the middle. Her dog is caught in the middle and she loves the dog, so...
And yes, I think it could be considered putting her down when we say she has allowed this situation to happen and we don't think she can change. I am guilty of having done that myself in past posts. I hope HarleyWood can understand that we all care about her and her dog and wish we could help. I'm far from perfect and have had things happen that I should never have allowed, I should have been aware but I wasn't. What makes the difference is when we admit our mistakes and try to fix it as best we can.
HarleyWood, you aren't a dog trainer and you have a dog that is beyond your abilities. I would be in the same position, I would be lost to help a dog like yours. I would have to search for help. Being in over your head does not make you a bad person! You do need to search for someone or some group that can help, please.

BTW my brother has Dobermans and my breed of choice is Pitt Bulls. A friend has a Malinos and her sister raises Cane Corsos. I am very familiar with "dangerous" breeds, they do take a lot of care. With help from pros!

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