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post #21 of 35 Old 11-01-2012, 06:51 PM
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I don’t think its a matter of people “loving” barbed wire but rather that people are pointing out that there is not necessarily any problem with a barbed wire fence. As I mentioned EVERY cattle station that I have ever worked on, had barbed wire horse paddocks; and when your horse paddock may be a hundred acres +, and contain 50 horses or more, fencing the lot with nice wooden posts and rails is infeasible unless your a billionaire or something. Personally, if I had a place and was breeding horses (which, one day, I hope to have) then all wood posts and wood rails, or box steel and box steel rails would be my preference. But that can run into the thousands, or thousands of thousands, hell, barbed wire and steel posts runs into the thousands, I have a cousin who does fencing contracting on the side to his real job, and he almost makes more money off the fencing than the real job. The rule I was always told about though is, if you can, always have the paddock your stallions are in fenced with big wooden posts, especially if you intend having mares in the next paddock over; which its always advisable not to in the first place if you can help it. I heard of at least one stallion that impaled himself and died on a steel fence post trying to get at a mare across a fence.
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post #22 of 35 Old 11-01-2012, 08:18 PM
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I had an older mare that impaled herself, missed her heart and lungs by inches and it was ugly. She tore a huge flap in the front of her chest and then the pole went in and came out behind her leg. It took months and $$$$ to heal her up. She was one of my best broodies though, so I did what it took. That was right after we moved onto this place, hadn't had time to change fencing or to cap the T posts.

I have 5 big paddocks and 3 smaller ones, all are fenced with Vmesh fencing held up by 4 X 4 wood posts and 1 X 6 top rails and they're hot wired. My fencing is all 5 ft high, except for 2 stallion yards that are both 6 1/2 ft high and they have more hot wire. The only time I've ever had a problem with a stallion getting out is when that same old broodmare got injured for the final time and we took her to be put down. Never could figure out how she got her last injury but it was the last one. In the excitement, someone left a couple of gates open and Arabians being the smart, curious horses they are, when we got hom the stallion was out with the mares. We got lucky, only 1 unexpected baby from that one. Never happened before and hasn't happened since. I do keep the mares on one side of the property when they're in heat and the stallions on the other side, but otherwise, no real special precautions.

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post #23 of 35 Old 11-02-2012, 03:52 AM
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My vet said a horse can get hurt on any type of fencing. Even wooden can leave then hurt pretty badly. I am not against barbed wire I have it. I would prefer woven but would LOVE a all wooden fence... but I can't afford it. The only thing I hate is a small section we have that was the metal posts. One horse went chasing the other and it ran into post. It gashed his side pretty good. Barbed wire (if hung right!!!! And pulled tight!!!) Will usually break when hit. It's the loose wire that can cause big problems!!! So you need to keep on on repairing any broken or loose.
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post #24 of 35 Old 11-02-2012, 03:53 AM
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We keep our cows and horses together too...

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post #25 of 35 Old 11-08-2012, 11:02 AM
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I have used barbed wire, IMO, if it is around a fairly large area containing a stable population (not putting new horses in/ out) it is reasonably safe. That said, I LOVE my high tensile electric...4 strands for horses & 2 strands for cattle. After stretching barb wire I look like I fought with a wildcat and lost, not the case with high tensile! It is especially good for the cattle....have never had problems separating our bull from the neighbors or from our cows. And as a side note...how is it cattle can go thru a five strand barb wire fence without a scratch?
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post #26 of 35 Old 11-08-2012, 11:43 AM
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I have barbed wire for my cows, they just plain ran (or climbed) through everything else and trust me..... when the cranky a$$ school bus driver finds herself stuck because all of your cows are blocking the road, your life will be very miserable for a long time. As a bonus, barbed wire was dirt cheap or free.... just collected all the barbed wire that friends were removing from their horse pastures! Those with horses were only too happy to have me remove and take it away!

I like the steel pipe fencing as well. Our small holding pasture with cattle chute and alley is welded steel pipe. None of the cows or the bull test it, even when I use it to separate/wean the babies. Stand on the other side and bawl for me to bring the babies back though....that they do.
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post #27 of 35 Old 11-11-2012, 08:41 PM
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When I tried to run horses and cows together, one of the horses chased the cows until the cows broke out of the fence in a panic. The cows went across the highway and got in with the neighbors cows. By this time, they were so upset and wild that they were very difficult to catch. One of them never would participate in our roundup. Finally I sold her to the neighbor for a fraction of her value. I don't keep cows and horses together any more.
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post #28 of 35 Old 11-11-2012, 09:08 PM
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I agree Celeste, cattle and horses shouldn't be kept together if helped.(on a side note rotating species on pastures help parasite control and grass growth)
Also what kind of cattle, age and gender wwill help determine what fencing is best. Of course bulls without cows and yearlings are harder to keep up than older bred cows with calves. I have even noticed a difference with breeds. Then of course previous handling plays a role. You can train nasty cattle to stay within a single hotwire if you have a good enough charger and the time to do so.

I would consider the size of property, cattle and horses temperment along with property and make a judgment from there on fencing optuons.

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post #29 of 35 Old 11-11-2012, 09:57 PM
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Sorry, I don’t mean to sound cheeky or anything, but Im just not understanding how a cow can choose to not participate in a round up.
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post #30 of 35 Old 11-11-2012, 10:28 PM
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Sorry, I don’t mean to sound cheeky or anything, but Im just not understanding how a cow can choose to not participate in a round up.
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Cows can choose not to participate, but I think it may boil down down to who's handling them as far as how much partcipation takes place and what measures are taken to ensure so
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