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post #1 of 23 Old 04-07-2012, 11:59 AM Thread Starter
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when dogs are not properly confined...

I'm so mad at the moment. A guy down the road has had three sheep badly mauled. Animal control apparently have said there is a pack of 4 dogs going around attacking livestock, and they have received a few complaints on the matter, but they can't do anything unless the dogs are caught in the act.

WHY do people not contain their dogs? If the dogs are mauling sheep and causing that much damage, they might also attack horses, cattle, or even humans! The damage a dog can do to a horse or a sheep is horrific, one of the sheep mauled down the road is in a terrible state with the most awful wounds all over its back end and head. I can tell you right now that if a dog attacks my horse, I'll be suing the owner for vet costs.

There will be a lot of dog owners in my area wondering if their dog is one of the culprits. A farmer is well within his rights to shoot any dog that is worrying livestock on his property so one of these days someone will end up minus a dog or four!

I know for a fact that my dogs were not involved. They sleep inside at night and all the animals attacked were attacked in the early hours of the morning. My one dog that's a hunter is contained with a zap collar that she doesn't question, and my other two are very dependent on their people so they stay in or around the house at all times. MY dogs are properly contained and do not stray.

People who don't contain their animals shouldn't own them and honestly they're asking for someone to think the worst and shoot the dog if they see it in the paddock with their sheep, cattle, horses etc etc.

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post #2 of 23 Old 04-07-2012, 12:22 PM
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There's a difference between letting dogs roam and a dog that is determined to get out! The first lot I can't stand. I'm in the 2nd lot. My dobie is quite content to stay in her fenced yard. My other dog is a houdini dog. Most of the time she can't get out, but sometimes she'll keep trying until she finds a weak area and boom she's gone! Fortunately she is not one to chase the cows and horses and just wants to run around. I believe it's because she was a stray and just likes the open road, so to speak. If she ever did kill livestock, her number would be up as well.
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post #3 of 23 Old 04-07-2012, 12:44 PM Thread Starter
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Mine was like your escaper too, but I found a way to make 100% sure she stays in. I guess I'm lucky because she's a wimp when it comes to pain so an electric collar does the trick even on the lowest zap setting. Only, MY dog is a hunter, so she was that much more likely to maul someone's livestock if she got involved with a pack. That's why I got the zap fence, even though I felt like it was a horrible thing to do to her.

I have the most horrible feeling that I know which dog is responsible for the maulings, though, and it would be awful if I was right. AC said that people have been reporting a German Shepherd among the pack and there's a GS down the road from me that's very aggressive towards horses. I wouldn't put it past him to attack a sheep, and the fences he's in are nowhere near high enough to keep him in. But his owners really don't need to lose a dog right now on top of everything else they've got going on, the guy's sister just passed away, so I hope beyond hope that I'm wrong... I just have a feeling it's this GS, another dog down the road that gets out all the time, and the pitbull and retriever that belong to my neighbour on the one side. I so hope I'm wrong.

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post #4 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 11:15 AM
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I'm surprised no one has caught the dogs in the act and shot them. I agree with you that it is sad that people don't keep their dogs under control. And it's the dog that will end up paying for it with their lives. There was one shot just up the street from me by Fish and Game for harassing a herd of bull elk this winter. The owner was really upset about it. Said he had just let the dog out to go to the bathroom. But the dog was over 3 blocks away from home. I don't understand people that let their dog out to to the bathroom in an unfenced yard without going out with them. You know that dog is heading for the neighbors yard to do it's business. Or to chase the elk 3 blocks away in this case.

I love my dogs but it's getting harder and harder to own dogs because irresponsible owners are turning people against dogs.

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post #5 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 11:46 AM
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I just feel like running around yelling 'EARTH TO DOG OWNERS, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DOGS.' It's so frustrating to see people get animals and not have one ounce of responsibility...
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post #6 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 12:08 PM
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We are the ONLY people in our entire area that do not leave their dogs outside, unfenced and unleashed to roam the neighborhood -- drives me batsh*t crazy! People actually think we are strange to require that we know where our dogs are, at all times, and be in direct control of them. Yes, I take them outside off-leash, but only after we have instilled a strong recall and they understand just where they are/aren't allowed to be. They are NOT allowed to cross our property line without direct permission - even when they are chasing the other peoples' dogs off of OUR property (ie out of the horse pasture or away from us when we are charged by a barking dog for having the nerve to be outside in our own yard), our dogs understand their pursuit/job ends as soon as we call them "off" or they come to the edge of our yard and they immediately, happily, return to my side. I can't tell you how many dogs I dodge trying to get to/from town (or how many don't get dodged and end up being injured or killed), how many piles of dog poop I have picked up in areas of our property we do not take OUR dogs to, how many things have been peed on, chewed on, destroyed....how many times I have caught dogs in our horse pasture (I actually wish our horses were MORE aggressive with dogs, they tolerate them and I would rather they invite the dogs to leave). And it's like talking to brick walls when you try to voice your concern about any of it..........
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post #7 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 12:37 PM
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I honestly cannot tell you how many dogs we've had to shoot over the years. We have dogs and horses on our place so we will sometimes have stray dogs just show up. The first time, we'll catch them and turn them over to the city dog catcher if we don't know who the owner is. If we know the owner, we call them to come get the dog and tell them that if it ends up at our place again, all bets are off.

If the stray shows up again and starts picking a fight with our dogs or chasing our horses, they get a bullet and the owner is called again to tell them that we just shot their dog.

It upsets people, but we take great care to try to keep our dogs secured, they should be able to do the same. There are ways to keep them safely on their own property if they would just take the time and care to do it. Fences, shock collars, tethers, etc.
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post #8 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 02:17 PM
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This is sure hitting home today. I saw a dog dead on the side of the road when leaving my house this morning. It was so heart breaking. What makes a person think they don't have to be responsible for their dog?? It was the 2nd dead dog I've seen in the past 3 months.
Where I live MANY people leave their dogs unattended and out to roam. I have 3 dogs- all indoor dogs. They go out to pee and play and I stay out there with them. I am not even worried about them attacking a person or animal, I am concerned for THEM. I would be horrified if my dog died due to my negligence.
Even my neighbors have 6 dogs, 4 are outdoor 24/7. 2 stay on the property and the other 2 harrass nearby dogs. What does this mean for me? It means I can't take my dogs out on my trails without fear of their dogs running up and causing a fight. It means that when those dogs run onto my property, I am rushed to get my dogs inside as to prevent any controversy. I have 3 pitbulls. If I left them out and an animal or anything got hurt near us, my animal would be the ones blamed.
It is horribly sad how flippant people are about their animals. Why bother adopting or buying an animal if you arent going to properly care for them? This includes vet appts, vaccines, emergency care, restraining them and food and water!
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post #9 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 03:18 PM
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I would have shot the dogs my self. My dogs are harmless. (aside from small rodents), the worst thing they would do to livestock is herd it around. Any dog that could be people, dog or livestock aggressive should be confined or supervised at all times.

Can you immagine how terrified the sheep would be and how much pain they would be in? The owners need to wake up and be adults.
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post #10 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 03:45 PM
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I would have shot the dogs my self. My dogs are harmless. (aside from small rodents), the worst thing they would do to livestock is herd it around. Any dog that could be people, dog or livestock aggressive should be confined or supervised at all times.

Can you immagine how terrified the sheep would be and how much pain they would be in? The owners need to wake up and be adults.
Even "harmless" dogs need to be contained and supervised. Herding livestock around is harrassment of that livestock.
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