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post #11 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 03:49 PM
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I would have shot the dogs my self. My dogs are harmless. (aside from small rodents), the worst thing they would do to livestock is herd it around. Any dog that could be people, dog or livestock aggressive should be confined or supervised at all times.

Can you immagine how terrified the sheep would be and how much pain they would be in? The owners need to wake up and be adults.
blue- just out of curiosity... if your harmless dogs made their way onto my property while I was outside with my dogs and my dogs caused damage to yours... would you be upset?
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post #12 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 03:55 PM
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Wasn't trying to pick on you, btw, blue......but the "he/she" is harmless argument is what every single owner of the dogs I was thinking of in my post uses. I do not care if they are harmless, they do not belong off their owner's property, period.
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post #13 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 04:16 PM
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EASY THERE. I was in a hurry writing that and forgot to add the sentence (and I can't edit)

"My dogs are harmless. (aside from small rodents), the worst thing they would do to livestock is herd it around.But they are still kept confined and only alowed loose when supervised .Any dog that could be people, dog or livestock aggressive should be confined or supervised at all times. "

And no, my dogs are not allowed to go "harrass" other peoples livestock under any circumstances. Neither are they allowed on others property. The sentence was poorly worded on my part. I stated " the worst they would do is herd" as an example, I.e. Even though the worst thing they would do is herd, they are still controlled at all times.

All dogs(or for that matter all pets/ livestock) should be controlled by their owners, and those with a high likely hood of any form of aggression should be very strictly managed.

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post #14 of 23 Old 05-31-2012, 04:19 PM
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blue- just out of curiosity... if your harmless dogs made their way onto my property while I was outside with my dogs and my dogs caused damage to yours... would you be upset?
At my self. It is the owners resonsibility to controll their animals.
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Ok, I see where some wording was left out of your previous post. And your answer to my question was spot on. I just wouldnt want to be blamed for another owners irresponsibility.
You don't sound like that type of owner.
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post #16 of 23 Old 06-01-2012, 08:20 AM Thread Starter
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So my neighbour has been losing lambs :/ different guy to the one with the mauled sheep. I thought at first it was birds of prey as he said they were simply disappearing, but then he found one with bite marks on its head.

My quiet harmless wouldn't know what to do in a pack dog (brain damaged, thick as two short planks, but very sweet) has been wandering unbeknownst to us and said neighbour saw her at his place and came over and accused her of hurting his sheep... I seriously doubt it is her, she honestly doesn't even snap at flies, but we've put the electric collar on her anyway. If the disappearing lambs continue to disappear, we'll know it's not her. If it stops, then we've nipped the issue in the bud. Neighbour is happy, dog is contained. We never thought she would wander, she honestly never used to be brave enough...

Yep I have been quick to jump on other owners for not keeping their dogs in an area they can't physically get out of, and yep, two of my three are exactly the same... difference is, one is too old to go anywhere, one I thought was too timid, and the third has an electric collar that zaps the poop out of her if she tries.

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post #17 of 23 Old 06-01-2012, 10:57 AM
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My quiet harmless wouldn't know what to do in a pack dog (brain damaged, thick as two short planks, but very sweet) has been wandering unbeknownst to us and said neighbour saw her at his place and came over and accused her of hurting his sheep... I seriously doubt it is her
You realize the importance of securely containing dogs... so I'll not harp.
But for your sake, and your dog's, I'd immediately physically contain your dog. Then start electric collar training, but that takes time to be a trusted alternative. All it takes is some high level prey drive to kick in (ooh!!! Squirell@!!! Must chase squirrel) and in a second the dog runs through the invisible barrier with no more deterrent to not keep going. Then the doggie ADD sets in and next thing you know your pooch is wandering the local neighborhood till a sane thought or hunger prompts pooch to head home or animal control picks up a new catch.

Depending on where you live, the conversation the farmer had with you may be more than plenty to legally allow him to shoot your dog if it trespasses again- even if it's not caught in the act. Some places don't even require owner notification. May not be fair if your dog didn't do it, but it is his right to protect his livestock.
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post #18 of 23 Old 06-01-2012, 11:18 AM
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If you can, suggest to the fellow that he cage a lamb and lock the others up and get up high and wait. The lamb's cries will bring the dogs in and he'll be able to shoot them. This worked for a friend that was losing goats.
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KK, she doesn't HAVE a prey drive... like I said brain damaged, she's not a normal dog. But she is contained at night and now wears the collar during the day, and in my experience with my dogs pain is a very effective deterrent.

The trouble is I can't tie her, she can't have a collar with any pressure on it due to an old neck injury. I don't own the property so can't put proper dog fencing in, and I don't have $300 sitting around for a pen for her. My vet fund doesn't get touched except for emergency vet bills.

I don't know the legalities of shooting dogs that are harrassing livestock here in Aus, other than that it's the land owner's right to destroy any animal that they see on their property if they believe it to be worrying their stock... I don't think he would be allowed to come over and destroy any of our dogs with them on our property as there would then be no proof that they were wandering and harming or worrying his sheep.

However the issue is being addressed, and the dog in question, though I really doubt she would do anything to harm his sheep, is being contained. The oldest dog is 12, very territorial, arthritic, and doesn't leave the house yard unless she's with the company of her people. The dumb one is 10 and obviously needs to learn there are consequences to wandering... she used to be very timid and wouldn't leave the house except to do her business but living here she has gotten a lot more bold. The youngest is nearly 4 and has a HUGE prey drive, she's the one I wouldn't put past attacking sheep but she's also the one that is trained for the electric collar and doesn't even test it any more as long as I put it on her for one day every week.

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I think it's funny (not haha funny, weird funny) that Animal Control said there was nothing you could do unless someone caught the dogs in the act... a few years ago, we had issues with two stray dogs harassing our horses/dogs. They couldn't get through our non-climb fence (5 feet high, 2x4 inch spacing) but they threw themselves at it and snarled like they were rabid. By the time I ran inside and got the gun they had run off. When we called AC they brought us a 'live trap' big enough for one of these monsters and we set it up on our property in the area we knew they had been before. That very night we caught one of them and AC came and picked him up in the morning. We were a little worried his buddy would come back alone but we never saw it again.
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