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    08-27-2013, 02:21 PM
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This animal is the product of generations of selective breeding and it is highly doubtful if the ancestors of the breed could have met any such qualifications. However, the Saddlebred like the Tennessee Walking horse owes it existence to the great families of horses from the colonial days. Such horses were the TOM HALS, SQUIRRELS, EAGLES, WHIPS, PILOTS and COPPERBOTTOMS. Just as the Walking Horse Association would do in 40 years, the Saddle Horse Association studied the families of colonial stock and selected their foundations sires from those that had already proven their worth, regardless of the bloodlines. Among the bloodlines which later played an important role in the development of the Walking horse, were the Diomed son, Sir Archy, who sired TIMOLEON and STUMP THE DEALER, HARRISON'S CHIEF, and LEVIATHAN. JOHN DILLARD was a cross between the CHIEFS and the WHIPS. Although the pedigrees of VARNON'S ROEBUCK and COPPERBOTTOM are unknown, the blood from these horses was a very potent factor in the foundation of the Walking Horse.

And there it is.

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y 1908, all the foundation sires of the American Saddlebred were eliminated with the exception of DENMARK, due to the overwhelming percentage of registered American Saddlebred colts that traced to him. Even though Denmark was the foundation stallion for the American Saddle Horse breed, and contributed to other American breeds, including the Tennessee Walking horse, he was not easy-gaited. It was the "Stevenson" or "Cockspur" mare, tracing directly back to the Narragansetts, when bred to Denmark who brought the easy gaits to their foal. This cross brought together the beauty, finish, and hot blood of his sire, and the hereditary and acquired Saddle qualities of his dam.
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    08-27-2013, 03:20 PM
  #92
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What's the old saying? Something like "me thinks thou dost protest too much.".....I think that applies here.

Everyone cannot be wrong except for you, Toto. And when you post "facts"-they are only as reliable as the resource the are from, and since you did not post your source, it could just as well be opinion, just like your other "facts" are.

And where YOU there at the show to see how many horse got pulled or didn't? Unless YOU were there, YOU are only speculating too.

Last I knew noone here was the "grand poobah" of TWH's.
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    08-27-2013, 04:21 PM
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Actually, where saddlebreds and TWHs share a FEW ancestors, the saddlebred was bred from a more solid thoroughbred trotting base than the TWH. They are greatly different in temperament and personality. You ask anyone what their opinion of a TWH is and most of the answers will be along the lines of "kind" and "gentle" and "extremely tolerant". You ask anyone their general opinion of saddlebred and you will get a mixed bag from "spooky" to "crazy" and "they are great horses, BUT...". It is another defense we have when people say we sore out horses, because aside from being trotting horses, they simply will not put up with it.
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    08-27-2013, 04:27 PM
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Besides which, both breeds are not even remotely comparable to the horses that founded the breeds. When comparing the Modern Saddlebred to the Modern TWH, looking at modern examples is the most relevant. Temperaments, personalities, behaviors, everything is extremely different between the two.
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    08-27-2013, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    

The "performance horses" of today look nothing like the horses of yesteryear.

I still don't understand why Walking Horse breeders want to be known as the freak show of the horse world. They have NICE horses with nice personalities, why not promote them as cadillac trail horses? There would be a lot less "waste" in the breed. I know the breeding would have to change a little. But I bet there are still some good, naturally gaited horses out there that just don't receive the recognition they deserve.
Because if they didn't put on a "freakshow" they could not fill their stands. Although I hope the tide is turning now. When they totally ruin the breeds value they will only have themselves to blame. In my state sadly walkers are a dime a dozen and hold little more value than the overbred paints and quarterhorse. The tide is changing.
     
    08-27-2013, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
Besides which, both breeds are not even remotely comparable to the horses that founded the breeds. When comparing the Modern Saddlebred to the Modern TWH, looking at modern examples is the most relevant. Temperaments, personalities, behaviors, everything is extremely different between the two.
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I have two words for you-- Justin Morgan! Lol. For someone that 'speculates' you sure pretend to know what you're talking about.


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lthough Figure (justin morgan) was used extensively as a breeding stallion, records are known to exist for only six of his sons, three of whom became notable as foundation bloodstock for the Morgan breed. Woodbury, a chestnut, stood 14.3 hands (59 inches, 150 cm) high and stood for many years at stud in New England. Bulrush, a dark bay the same size as Figure, was known for his endurance and speed in harness. Best known was Sherman, another chestnut stallion, slightly shorter than Figure, who in turn was the sire and grandsire of Black Hawk and Ethan Allen. Black Hawk, born in 1833, went on to become a foundation stallion for the Standardbred, American Saddlebred and Tennessee Walking Horse breeds, and was known for his unbeaten harness racing record. Ethan Allen, sired by Black Hawk in 1849, is another important sire in the history of the Morgan breed, and was known for his speed in trotting races.

The saddlebred traces back to the same horses as the walking horse--Wikipedia page even explains justin morgan and the evolution of the horse breeds founded by him.
     
    08-27-2013, 05:55 PM
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The Morgan, which continued to be bred in New England with 'Narragansett' and pacing blood that was left, really absorbed what was left of the 'Narragansett' to become a new breed. The Morgan was crossed with Thoroughbred to produce Standardbreds and Saddlebreds. These two breeds and Morgans have continued to coexist and be mixed together until their registries closed. From these, the Tennessee Walker and Missouri Fox Trotter were formed.
Gaited Morgan Association :: Gaits Overview

I bet the gaited morgan association is definitely wrong about that though.. frank- you should tell them they have their information wrong!
     
    08-27-2013, 06:02 PM
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Toto-I have only said that when you use a resource, in order for it to be reliable the folks reading it should be able to know where you got it. Otherwise it is just another quoted opinion. I do not know or care to know the origins of breeds, nor do I really find it relevant to this thread.
     
    08-27-2013, 06:05 PM
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Lol! You are quite funny. When it comes to the American Saddlebred, there is no speculation on my part. You clearly know nothing about the breed. Scrambling through Wikipedia for information does not mean a thing. I have been reading about American Saddlebred history for most of my life. I have been living with modern saddlebreds for all of my life. PLEASE get into this battle. There is NOTHHING I love more than the American Saddlebred. Please go on. Please try to educate me on the founding of my breed. I will even let you reference Wikipedia some more for your answers, if you wish.

You don't seem to be a reliable source of information on the Tennessee Walker either.
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    08-27-2013, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
Lol! You are quite funny. When it comes to the American Saddlebred, there is no speculation on my part. You clearly know nothing about the breed. Scrambling through Wikipedia for information does not mean a thing. I have been reading about American Saddlebred history for most of my life. I have been living with modern saddlebreds for all of my life. PLEASE get into this battle. There is NOTHHING I love more than the American Saddlebred. Please go on. Please try to educate me on the founding of my breed. I will even let you reference Wikipedia some more for your answers, if you wish.

You don't seem to be a reliable source of information on the Tennessee Walker either.

I actually did not 'look through 'asb' I just googled justin morgan to pull up some history on his evolution in to the sb- I think its funny you're assuming again.


I never said I knew everything about sb- matter of all I never said I knew nothin about the breed- I know where the breed originates and that's justin morgan.. its been proven and I have done some reasearch on the morgan horse-- please feel free to 'educate me' on that.
     

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