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    08-26-2013, 07:13 PM
  #51
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Gaits Video

^ watch the flat shod walker do a running walk and compare to the performance walker do a running walk- aint a lick of difference in the back end action-- onlt things different is the front end animation!

If you think that's abusive is climbing a hill abusive too?

Only thing abusive is the soring and there working at getting rid of that at the shows as we speak- any one else noticed in the recent years no horses perform with chains? Must be doing something..
     
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    08-26-2013, 07:56 PM
  #52
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Much of this is why those I know who own and love the breed no longer show, and are extremely careful who they sell to. Ignorant, and total denial.
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    08-26-2013, 08:36 PM
  #53
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Originally Posted by toto    
Gaits Video

^ watch the flat shod walker do a running walk and compare to the performance walker do a running walk- aint a lick of difference in the back end action-- onlt things different is the front end animation!
How in the world can you look at that video and say the two running walks have the same haunch action. They are night and day different. The length of stride that they have to do to balance the throwing out of those stacks is totally different/

Aint a lick of difference? Wow.
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    08-26-2013, 08:37 PM
  #54
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Much of this is why those I know who own and love the breed no longer show, and are extremely careful who they sell to. Ignorant, and total denial.


little extreme don't ya think? Most people want walkers for trailriding- even ones like mine with lot of wgc on their papers--i trail ride her! That's it! I know- 'shes going to waste in pasture' but she aint- she's got a job and happy with it- its all that should matter to anyone- the horses are happy!


Facs are ignorant to you- I agree!

Do you have any facts about how pads alone cause pain or damage to a walkers spine or rearend or do you have face that pads cause pain at all?? Or do you know it hurts because a face a horse made?
     
    08-26-2013, 08:42 PM
  #55
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
How in the world can you look at that video and say the two running walks have the same haunch action. They are night and day different. The length of stride that they have to do to balance the throwing out of those stacks is totally different/

Aint a lick of difference? Wow.


1. Because there the exact breed of horse.
2. Because the front end is not 'throwing' the horse off its rythem just animating it.
3. Because the action is the exact same just slightly animated.
4. Because they are not exaggerating the hind end -stacks are to exaggerate the front end lifting action.
5. Because the hind ends in both videos are taking the ecact same action steps.
6. Because the hind end does not lift the front end- that's what the neck and forend does- lift itself-- you're a jumper you know that the rear end does not life before the front.
7. Because the rearend is left in place as a lightshod horse.
8. Because my walker walks exactly the same as both them horses with less exaggeration Andrew she's barefooted.
9. Because that's what the walking horse does- the rearend 'walks' like a human would if you take notice.
10. Because I've seen different bloodline of walking horses some walk more like a german Sheppard would sneaky like and others are more pacey-both horses in the video are the more traditional walking horse that has the 'sneaky walk' and aint Pacey.

If the horse was in rear stacks I would definitely agree it was abusive and hurting causing pain etcetra- the hind end is left un padded for a reason- stacks have nothing to do with hind end action and every thing to do with exaggeration of the forend- just look at the horse move!
     
    08-26-2013, 08:56 PM
  #56
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I did FEI level dressage and that puts a lot of strain on hocks. However, I have NEVER seen any horses but the big lickers whose hocks become so unstable that the wobble this way


More than the hocks, TWH are known for chronic stifle problems when ridden this way.
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    08-26-2013, 08:58 PM
  #57
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Toto, all of what I say is simply speculation. I too am not interested in a fight. Maybe I am just imagining things and creating stories in my head. I admittedly don't know much of TWHs. I went through google a decade at a time, looking at pictures. Seeing the horses prior to stacked pads makes me so sad at the beauty that was lost. TWHs are pretty horses now, don't get me wrong, but those in the pictures I posted and many more from the 20s-40s were stunning, even with the photo manipulations. They made the saddlebreds of the time look like dainty prancers that were all style and no substance(and you KNOW my devotion to ASBs). The TWHs were POWERFUL. Not as much grace as the ASB, but they were built for more utility. They WERE luxury. Even the standing shots were exciting. I WISH those horses were still around. Going just off of pictures, they are not.

You don't see the stacks start until you get to around the 60s when you google images like I did. I know TOTALLY accurate. Again, everything I say is all speculation. I would like to believe that the process of chemical and mechanical soring was not as prevalent with the horses prior to stacking, as it seems the focus was different.

As for the facial expressions. Well, yes. Every horse makes faces. But look at the majority of BL/stacked horses. It is very difficult to find a picture of a stacked horse that is performing with a relaxed expression, an excited expression, or even happy expression on their faces. It is hard to find one that looks like he enjoys his job, which for me, is paramount in this type of performance. This kind of ring showing *should* be exciting and from my background I expect a lot of that excitement to come from the attitude of the horse, not entirely from the movement. I am NOT from a TWH background so I am not sure where the excitement should be coming from.

There is a big difference between an intense look of concentration on a horse doing a strenuous job. You example was thoroughbreds and I will throw in cutting horses as they REALLY get into their jobs. The look on a stacked horse's face most of the time, going from pictures and video(reference the Honors for example), their expressions are leagues apart from the cutting and racing examples. They look...frazzled. Nothing intense about them. None of the "HELL YEAH! I got this!" intensity of a horse really into his job.

Again, this might just be the over active imagination of an outsider.
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    08-26-2013, 09:00 PM
  #58
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
I did FEI level dressage and that puts a lot of strain on hocks. However, I have NEVER seen any horses bit the big lickers whose hocks become so unstable that the wobble this way

http://www.united.com/web/format/img...GF_300x200.jpg

More than the hocks, TWH are known for chronic stifle problems when ridden this way.

Alison- your 'factual link' is a picture of a leather seat in an airplane.. im not being rude either just letting you know because I would like to see what you're talking about.

A horse that's wobbling would be tired- poor stamina training-- I agree it would cause problem but its not the stacks that's training error- theres people that want to win and in short time- stuff like this happens-- not all the industry does stuff like this- its why im still fighting you on it- just because theres one bad egg don't mean they all are.
     
    08-26-2013, 09:01 PM
  #59
Green Broke
Walkers West used to have a video of Midnight Sun uploaded. Now I can't seem to find it. HE did not move like the horses of today. He was flashy and beautiful and looked like a horse you could actually take out and ride.

The "performance horses" of today look nothing like the horses of yesteryear.

I still don't understand why Walking Horse breeders want to be known as the freak show of the horse world. They have NICE horses with nice personalities, why not promote them as cadillac trail horses? There would be a lot less "waste" in the breed. I know the breeding would have to change a little. But I bet there are still some good, naturally gaited horses out there that just don't receive the recognition they deserve.

I am in Arizona and gaited trail horses are in demand. I know some people that went to California and paid about $10,000 each for Missouri Fox Trotters just to trail ride.
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    08-26-2013, 09:04 PM
  #60
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Please find that video of Midnight Sun! I would LOVE to see it!
     

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