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post #1 of 44 Old 06-04-2013, 08:58 PM Thread Starter
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Hey, I am a little confused. I think I recognize the horse in the photo as Champagne Watchout, correct? His owners have been against the pads and action devices and have been showing him more or less flat-shod....or so I thought. The caption also says he's competing without pads. But when you look at the enlargement of the photo it looks like he has pads???

So what's up with that? Are these "smaller, kinder pads?" Because if so, I think that's a load of horsie road apples.

I still don't "get" why these horses can't show with natural feet. It should be a requirement. The south American gaited horses gait without pads. I know Fox Trotters can gait without pads (although I am afraid from what little I've seen of them showing I wouldn't like their show practices either) but give me a break, Walking horses should be able to gait and show without pads as well. The breeding can be modified back to what it was in the early years.....naturally gaited horses with a running walk. THAT is what should be valued. Not pacy freak shows. Yes, it will take some generations of intelligent breeding, but that can happen.

People need to train their eyes to see the natural beauty of the horse, NOT the the freak show people have made them out to be.

Call me crazy, but I want a horse that can perform outside an arena. A horse that is a pleasure to ride in any terrain. Smooth, sound, gentle and beautiful. What's wrong with that?

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PS. I don't mean to knock Champagne Watchout. I mean, it's a start. But he's still not natural enough for my liking.
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When you enlarge the picture it does indeed look like this horse has some kind of "enhancement" on his front hooves.

Not only do the South American gaited horses gait without pads, they gait without shoes too! Shoes are prohibited in Peruvian classes here in the US and also in Peru. Why screw up a good thing?
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post #5 of 44 Old 06-05-2013, 05:41 AM
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TWHBEA is rotten to the core, liars and hypocrits. Look under those bell boots. board members with long list of animal cruelty citations, creatign rules and jusdging criteria that specifically rewards soring, yet say they are against it. Slap on the hand sanctions against violators. Give me a break.
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post #6 of 44 Old 06-05-2013, 07:14 AM
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At least we are starting somewhere.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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The purpose of the pads is to extend the functional toe. This delays breakover in the stride and causes the foot to come off the ground with increased energy, giving a longer and more dramatic flight. If you add weight (illegal now, but not so very long ago) you add even more energy to the flight.

In the flat/light shod world the same effect can be achieved by a long toe and low heel trim (that's called being "long and low"). They can't use a pad to artificially lengthen the toe, but they can aggressively trim to get the most they can get before the hoof material fractures. Here the horse can wear a shoe that can legally weigh up to 48 oz. The farrier can also shape the shoe to ****** breakover, all in an attempt to maximum energy at takeoff.

The search for maximum energy comes at a price. It is a very mechanically inefficient system. It requires a lot of equine energy. It is designed to make movement vertical vice horizontal. IMO it also grossly stresses the shoulder, back, hips, stifles, hocks, etc. Those stresses cause short and long term lameness.

The pads, bangles, balls, beads, etc. are the hallmarks of ignorance in training, IMO. But they are not the root of the evils that beset the Walker. The root is the quest for ever increasing "front end action." Until that goes away the problem will remain.

I can't tell if the foot, here, is "enhanced" or they've just got a farrier who can make it very long and low.

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^^ Where is "here" that a 48oz (3#!!) shoe is legal? That seems like a LOT of weight.

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post #9 of 44 Old 06-05-2013, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider View Post
PS. I don't mean to knock Champagne Watchout. I mean, it's a start. But he's still not natural enough for my liking.
I watched this horse at the Celebration last year and he was so different from the big lick horses.

I really liked him.

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post #10 of 44 Old 06-05-2013, 08:51 AM Thread Starter
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I thought the drastically falling registration numbers was interesting. But will they get the clue???
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