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post #41 of 62 Old 09-25-2012, 08:47 PM
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its my understanding you put chains on a horse to help bring out the gait in them. can be used on younger horses that dont show the "natural" gait. but are bred to gait. like cross bred gaited breeds. you dont have to sore them for the chains to work. and it doesnt hurt them physically either. course im sure there are extremes. just like in everything in life.
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post #42 of 62 Old 09-25-2012, 08:49 PM
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im fascinated with watching the big lick walkers. now with that said, its not my type of thing, and not somethin id go outa my way to watch. and b/c something is fascinating to me doesnt mean i care for it either, but its still amazing that the horses have that kind of ability.
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Darrin, I thought too maybe the curb chain but then... Whenever I have used a Curb chain, they were not that loud. I thought maybe they had something hanging from the reins or saddle or something. Hearing a noise like that the whole time I was trail riding would drive me nuts too. I love the quiet of the woods, no the constant jingle of whatever that was. ha ha
Think they were running a double chain so they would rattle against each other.

I agree with the quiet. The wife likes to hoot, holler, chirp and whatever other noise she can make when we ride. Irritates me to no end, I want peace and quiet out on the trail.
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post #44 of 62 Old 09-26-2012, 12:42 AM
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Chains can be used to teach a hrose not to kick his stall, as some horses do. the chain will bang on the leg when they kick, and it hurts. Kicking chains , is what they are called.
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I don't know about the theory that chains don't hurt them physically without being sored. Once in a while if my foot is stepped on and the horse won't move (once in a couple years or so), I resign to an age old practice of bumping the coronet band with my other boot to get the horse to raise the foot. If it didn't cause some form of pain or discomfort, he wouldn't raise the foot.

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post #46 of 62 Old 09-26-2012, 02:18 AM
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The chains themselves do not hurt the horse. Their purpose is to get the horse to step UP and OUT. They feel them and then will lift their legs in an attempt to step out of them. Some react as expected(see above) and others don't. If I put them on my trail ASB, he wouldn't think a thing about them. Granted, he is not gifted with any sort of high motion which is why he is a trail horse. With my breed, if they don't have it, you can't make them have it. Luckily, we are pretty good at breeding for it. Now, put a pair of light chains on my show colt who was born with great motion and the right attitude, and he reacts accordingly, stepping up an out. Since we don't and can't use these in the shows, it shows that they are simply practice devices, used to encourage a certain way of moving. It is for the sensation of something there that encourages lift.

To prove a point, one of my friends took her horse out, and tied a strand of fishing line loose like a bracelet around the pastern. He moved like you had put chains on him. It was just to prove that it was not pain which causes lift in conjunction with something around the ankles, it is merely the sensation of something there that the horse feels the need to step out of.

Horses do get used to them, and if over used, will have zero effect on a horses motion.
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post #47 of 62 Old 09-26-2012, 08:32 AM
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i would think if chains actually caused soreness, than different types of harness and traces and the such would also.
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The problem with a "hoof chain" is that it's a classic "anti-training device."

With a "training device" you use it, get a result, and then quit using it. If you use, say, a crop or a spur to induce an action in a horse when you get that action you stop using the device. The end of the device's "pressure" or "contact" is the reward for proper performance. Any good horseman knows this. It's an "on-off" system.

Some training devices/aids, like reins, can have a continuum of use where pressure can be regulated from on, to some, to off.

The hoof chain, on the other hand, is always "on." It's action is always constant. If the horse performs incorrectly the device exerts pressure. If the horse performs correctly the device exerts pressure. It only ends with the physical removal of the device. This is counter to about every theory of horse training I've ever read. This leads me to the belief that their use is the sign of incompetent or time/money driven training (a shortcut). Not all shortcuts are necessarily bad, but this one is.

Also, the residual effect of the chain is very short lived. Remove the chain and within a few minutes the effect is lost. If it were otherwise you'd only see chains on young horses in training, not aged horses in work.

A "kicking chain" is a very different thing. It only "bites" when the horse kicks. The horse soon learns that kicking is very painful and, at least while the chain is worn, the behavior goes away. I'm told by some that the effect is, in fact, fairly long lived. Some have said re-application can be required from time to time, but this is not a universal thought.

I hold the same view, by the way, on the other common "action devices" (long toes, heavy shoes, pads, stacks, excessively pared soles, etc.).

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Why own/show horses if you don't appreciate their natural state? Why is such exaggerated movement so applauded? I know in Dressage, you can get more exaggerated movements from horses when they are overbent, but the amount of stress to the horse's body is so horrific, that most responsible riders will not allow their horse to do so. After all, all horseback riding is about the harmony between horse and rider, right?

I don't ride gaited horses, so I'm not overly knowledgable on what's correct and incorrect in the show ring (feel free to correct me on anything). At Devon, I usually pick the gaited horse with the least leg action that looks the calmest as my favorite, that horse never pins :).

There are certain techniques I see "great" trainers do in any discipline to get better results in the show ring that I would NEVER dream of doing to any horse. Unfortunately, poor techniques occur in every discipline and until people turn their backs on such crude practices and let others know they are not acceptable, these techniques will continue.
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Gosh they do look like perched vultures.
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