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post #1 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 06:12 PM Thread Starter
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Been through hell and back

There is so much back story here it would take all night but it boils down to this

Im a new horse owner.I listen to what im told and I do it.My horse sees a vet every time it is needed.I have him shod every six weeks.I have him on everything I am told to help with his weight problem.I have put my faith in people that I was told were the right people and then to be told the opposite by others.I am moving my horse back to a walking horse barn the same one a got him from.They seem to be the only constant that I have.He was a nice meaty yet refined nicely gaited horse.Since I have bought him I've had nothing but problems.Im hoping that when I move him things get better for me.But here is a video of this quarter horse trainer telling me all the things wrong with my horse.I have had vets,trainers,breeders,owners,farriers.like 10 out of 10 people that have seen this laugh and cuss at the same time at some of the things he is saying.What you don't hear is right after I stopped the camera he said my horse was crippled and if I don't stop riding him he will need to be put to sleep in a year. I can see the side to side differences and I can see that there might be an issue so please don't think that im oblivious but according to all the people that have seen it there was no reason for me to leave that barn that day in tears.What are your thoughts.
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post #2 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 06:41 PM
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Diegomom if he was pointing out stuff that is wrong, don't take that personally. If there are genetic conformation issues, they were there in the beginning. I think a move to a barn with a gaited community is a good idea, they know about gaited horses and will be able to help you.
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post #3 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 06:48 PM
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I am fairly new to the horse world but one of the first things I noticed is that you can talk to 10 different people and get 10 different opinions.

I am slightly familiar with TWH. While I own a TB, my hubby leases a TWH.

While his horse's gait is different, it is not THAT different at a walk.

In your video, it really does look like your horse is "off" on his back end.

You said you have had problems with him since you bought him? What kind of problems? What prompted you to seek help from this guy? Did you suspect he was lame? Has he seen a vet?

Just think it would be helpful to have more info.
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I am fairly new to the horse world but one of the first things I noticed is that you can talk to 10 different people and get 10 different opinions.

I am slightly familiar with TWH. While I own a TB, my hubby leases a TWH.

While his horse's gait is different, it is not THAT different at a walk.

In your video, it really does look like your horse is "off" on his back end.

You said you have had problems with him since you bought him? What kind of problems? What prompted you to seek help from this guy? Did you suspect he was lame? Has he seen a vet?

Just think it would be helpful to have more info.
I am boarding him with this man.I had him do some desensitizing on him. He has been talking to me about his gait and the way he moves since then. He says his hips are bad because he has a big over stride. The problems I have had have only been weight issues.I can't seem to keep weight on him. I have had the vet out several times and he says his only problem was the amount he was being fed.I have had two vets in the last six months see this horse neither have ever said a word about hips or lamness. When he moves I am having that barns vet out as well to look at him. I have never thought nor has he ever acted lame.But like I said im new to horses so I could be wrong.
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Im not riding him.Not till I get all the info from all the people I can.He hasnt been rode since in training with this man.Going on 4 months now.Vet said to stay off of him due to the weight issue so that's what I have been doing
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Has he ever had a lameness exam? Just wondering if a vet has ever really examined his movement or if the vet was only asked about the weight issue.

Like I said, I am pretty new as well but I have had some lameness issues with my horse so I have found myself really watching other horses when they move. Your horse looks really, REALLY lame on the back end.

But I am not an expert, especially when it comes to gaited horses. I just don't remember thinking when I look at the paso finos or TWH's where I board. "Gosh, that horse looks like he is pain". And I think your horse looks like he is in pain.

Maybe someone with more experience with gaited horses can tell me I am wrong and I am fine with that. Still learning. :)
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OP, I am sorry this road has been tough. Get many opinions and do research on the credentials of whoever make your final diagnosis. And get someone who specializes in gaited breeds, maybe?

Good luck and don't mind the crass nature of some people.

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round pen - YouTube

Another of him moving out in the round pen..I know I didnt have a great handle on him at this point.I normally do .I was trying to get a good action shot
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This is one of those rare occasions that I feel the need to agree with Ripper up to a point. There is something going on with that horse that is causing some pretty serious lameness pretty much all the way around. I see severe calf knees at the walk and severe sickle hocks as well. Couple that with a few other things I see in his movement and I have a suspicion that he may have been a big lick horse at some point in his life. I can't say for certain, of course, but that's what I'm seeing. The broken down hind end with the extreme swishy hock action and the inconsistent leg movement on the fronts is what makes me think that.

Also, is it a common thing for him to get up from a roll that way, staying on his knees and getting up with his back end first? I've never seen a sound horse do that, they normally get up from the front end first unless it painful for them.

IMHO, this horse really needs to be seen by a lameness expert and there needs to be tests run to find out why he's so floppy in the back end and so hesitant on the front, whether it's just from lack of muscle or something structural or maybe neurological.

Whatever the cause, there is something that's causing the compromised movement and it really should be checked out. About his comment regarding the "stop riding him now or he'll have to be put down within a year". Without a battery of tests, there is no way to tell that for sure, perhaps not even with the tests. The funny thing about horses, if you ever start speaking in absolutes about something so unpredictable, then they will seem to go out of their way to prove you wrong.

Have him checked out by a lameness expert to find the cause of the wonky movement and then get their opinion about his long-term care and prognosis. We can speculate all we want about a grainy video, but we can't tell the cause, just the obvious symptoms.

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Has he ever had a lameness exam? Just wondering if a vet has ever really examined his movement or if the vet was only asked about the weight issue.

Like I said, I am pretty new as well but I have had some lameness issues with my horse so I have found myself really watching other horses when they move. Your horse looks really, REALLY lame on the back end.

But I am not an expert, especially when it comes to gaited horses. I just don't remember thinking when I look at the paso finos or TWH's where I board. "Gosh, that horse looks like he is pain". And I think your horse looks like he is in pain.

Maybe someone with more experience with gaited horses can tell me I am wrong and I am fine with that. Still learning. :)

The vet that I had out 6 months ago had me move him around for him so he could see him move.The only thing he wasnt happy with was his farrier work but he never said he looked lame,Im anxiouse to see what the vet that comes to the Walking horse barn says.One trainer that saw the videos said that he was a "show bred" horse and that's why his hips look like that.
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