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post #11 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 07:09 PM
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This is one of those rare occasions that I feel the need to agree with Ripper up to a point. There is something going on with that horse that is causing some pretty serious lameness pretty much all the way around. I see severe calf knees at the walk and severe sickle hocks as well. Couple that with a few other things I see in his movement and I have a suspicion that he may have been a big lick horse at some point in his life. I can't say for certain, of course, but that's what I'm seeing. The broken down hind end with the extreme swishy hock action and the inconsistent leg movement on the fronts is what makes me think that.

Also, is it a common thing for him to get up from a roll that way, staying on his knees and getting up with his back end first? I've never seen a sound horse do that, they normally get up from the front end first unless it painful for them.

IMHO, this horse really needs to be seen by a lameness expert and there needs to be tests run to find out why he's so floppy in the back end and so hesitant on the front, whether it's just from lack of muscle or something structural or maybe neurological.

Whatever the cause, there is something that's causing the compromised movement and it really should be checked out. About his comment regarding the "stop riding him now or he'll have to be put down within a year". Without a battery of tests, there is no way to tell that for sure, perhaps not even with the tests. The funny thing about horses, if you ever start speaking in absolutes about something so unpredictable, then they will seem to go out of their way to prove you wrong.

Have him checked out by a lameness expert to find the cause of the wonky movement and then get their opinion about his long-term care and prognosis. We can speculate all we want about a grainy video, but we can't tell the cause, just the obvious symptoms.
Smrobs, I always appreciate your tone. You know your stuff and you don't feel the need to be cruel and rude in expressing it. Bravo to you and your tact. I really applaud how well spoken and useful your advice is.
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post #12 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 07:11 PM
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OP, try seeing a lameness expert. Something is causing him to have problems, and if it can be found, there is a good chance it can be treated. As for being put down in a year... No one can say that for sure. We are all just people on a forum - we can offer advice, but you should definitely get more professional opinions.

I hope it works out for you! Keep us updated!

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post #13 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 07:31 PM
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I honestly think that your horse is lame as well, and I also think that this trainer did a phenominal job of making a point to show you where, how, and when he was acting lame. A lot of people (even vets in my experience) will blab on and on about how an animal is lame and hurt, but can't tell you where or why. This man not only showed you, he explained it fairly well too.

Even with as grainy of a video of this, I was able to see all of the things that he was pointing out. We have a saddlebred mare who overreaches as your gelding does, but not so significantly and she doesn't have that pause or hesitance when moving that he displays either.

I would go as far as saying that he's had some lameness issues for quite some times now- perhaps even years, and that's why you aren't noticing it. When we're around someone constantly, its easy to not really see it. Theres something there though, and if you want him to be productive for a long time, I'd advise in having a specialist, or even a chiropractor out for him.
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post #14 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 07:42 PM
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I didn't listen to the video I just watched how the horse moved.
As stated he is pretty lame on that back leg, but he also moves like he has 2x4s taped to his back legs...it's like he doesn't bend them--or, is that just me?

I'd have him seen by a lameness specialist as well.

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post #15 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 07:47 PM Thread Starter
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I honestly think that your horse is lame as well, and I also think that this trainer did a phenominal job of making a point to show you where, how, and when he was acting lame. A lot of people (even vets in my experience) will blab on and on about how an animal is lame and hurt, but can't tell you where or why. This man not only showed you, he explained it fairly well too.

Even with as grainy of a video of this, I was able to see all of the things that he was pointing out. We have a saddlebred mare who overreaches as your gelding does, but not so significantly and she doesn't have that pause or hesitance when moving that he displays either.

I would go as far as saying that he's had some lameness issues for quite some times now- perhaps even years, and that's why you aren't noticing it. When we're around someone constantly, its easy to not really see it. Theres something there though, and if you want him to be productive for a long time, I'd advise in having a specialist, or even a chiropractor out for him.
I have contacted a chiro who breeds walkers.I am trying to get our schedule's right for her to see him. She is a busy lady.I have googled lamness experts in my area.I am running into the problem of them not knowing walkers.One flat out told me he didnt even want to try due to hurting more then helping in the past with a walker.He told me any other breed even other gaited he is my man but wont see walkers when it comes to lameness. I am still on the hunt.I have heard horror story's about people ruining walking horses

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post #16 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 07:50 PM
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I'm sorry you are having issues with conflicting advice. Seek a lameness expert. Something is definitely wrong and if you love your horse, which I'm sure you do, maybe something can be done to correct the situation. I hope it all works out for you and the horse. Please keep us posted. I personally would like to hear a happy ending for you and the horse!
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I agree with Smrobs. It is strange how he got up & there must be a reason.
If he were my horse I would keep him where is is until you have answers.
It's better to have him where you'll hear what you need to hear instead of what you want to hear ( Except for the dead in a year thing). No one can predict that & your horse looks happy & willing.
Have a vet out & have that guy there too.
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post #18 of 106 Old 05-24-2012, 07:52 PM
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There is no reason for you to give up on your horse right now. He definitely has mobility issues, and the sooner you get them checked out, the better. I am sorry you're having to deal with this. No one wants to see their baby struggling.

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Sorry for stealing your video but in this video from a short time ago he looks different & got up normally. Maybe whatever is wrong is fairly recent?
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Sorry for stealing your video but in this video from a short time ago he looks different & got up normally. Maybe whatever is wrong is fairly recent?
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I've never noticed how he gets up honestly so I really can't tell you if he normally does or dosnt do this.If something happened between now and then it happened in the pasture because I havnt been on him at all because the vet wanted him to put more weight on
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