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post #21 of 38 Old 09-05-2010, 11:02 AM
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Again I am going to say it, try a bitless bridle. If you are too insecure on your horse then no bit will work. I have never seen a horse that is not happier in a bitless bridle and if you use your cues properly you DO NOT NEED A BIT. I think if you could just try one you would find your horse to be much, much happier, relaxed and very willing. You do not need a bit to get the correct headset, or for collection or to do reigning.
I tried a Dr. Cook bitless bridle for Soda. I thought he didn't like bits and I was being nicer by getting him in a bitless bridle. He hated that thing. Anytime I put the smallest pressure on (not yanking or pulling hard at all) he started shaking his head and fighting the pressure on his face. As soon as I put him back in the bit he was noticibly happier. I may try him in a bosal at some point and he does ride fairly well in a halter w/a lead rope, but he is happiest by far in his bit. I use my legs and seat to tell him what I want him to do and use the bit (double jointed snaffle) to lightly guide him.

As for the OP, you've gotten some good advice on here. Basically it all comes down to figuring out what your options are and then testing it on your horse to see if they like it.
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post #22 of 38 Old 09-05-2010, 12:26 PM
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Oh boy you are an angry person. I am not implying anything, I am simply stating how I feel. I am entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

And yes if my horses were capable of smiling they would be do just that.
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MNTigerstripes, I agree with you completely. Figure out what makes your horse happiest and go with it. Good for you.
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Well Macslady, I think this conversation should end here between us. You sound like you are very, very close minded, I think I am very open minded. Believe me I do not have a small mind.

Did it make you feel better to be so angry?
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Well Macslady, I think this conversation should end here between us. You sound like you are very, very close minded, I think I am very open minded. Believe me I do not have a small mind.

Did it make you feel better to be so angry?

I think your being insulting and are attacking peoples personal opinions. Your suggesting that our horses are abused and unhappy. Your suggesting that we are close minded and unable to grasp new concepts.

Perhaps you should go and drink Parelli's kool-aid, and learn some manners while your at it. Only a close minded person would be unable to see others opinions, and most of all, be unable to agree or disagree politely and with respect of said opinions.

I'm sure your horses are just pleased as punch. I ride with shoes, tree'd saddle, and bits, thank you. My horses are happy, healthy, and well cared for.

Wait! I'll fix it....
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post #26 of 38 Old 09-05-2010, 02:58 PM
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Are you brave enough to try a bitless bridle. I have two gaited horses and all the talk about gaited bits etc. is really just talk. I have ridden for years bitless with my horses, they love it.
There was absolutely wrong with this comment. You offered your opinion, and stated that it works for your horses. You really should have left it here.



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If you are too insecure on your horse then no bit will work.
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I have never seen a horse that is not happier in a bitless bridle and if you use your cues properly you DO NOT NEED A BIT.
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You do not need a bit to get the correct headset, or for collection or to do reigning.
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It is my opinion that if you cannot get your horse to do these things in a bitless bridle you are not riding the horse correctly.
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You should be able to do all this without a bit or pulling and yanking on the reigns.
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Bits just make the horse unhappy and the rider feel like they have control.
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Sorry I am not about to change my mind and agree with you, bits are control for the rider, they do not help the horse or make the horse happy
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I suppose you have "shoes" on your horse "for your peace of mind"
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If you need a bit, you need it. Chances are the horse does not.
These are all extremely ignorant and close-minded statements. This idea of yours that you have an open mind is laughable.





Incidentally, I have two horses. One I ride in a bit, and the other I ride in a hackamore. One is barefoot, one has aluminums in the front. One I ride in a Cashel soft saddle (treeless), and the other I ride in a custom-fitted saddle with a tree.

As you can see, I am NOT biased. I have no dog in this fight. I use what works for that particular horse, end of story.

If someone came on here and said the same things you've said - only praising bits instead of bitless - I would say the same thing to them, because I don't have anything against bitless/barefoot/treeless. My problem is with your close-mindedness and your holier-than-thou attitude.
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post #27 of 38 Old 09-05-2010, 06:01 PM
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Well Macslady, I think this conversation should end here between us. You sound like you are very, very close minded, I think I am very open minded. Believe me I do not have a small mind.

Did it make you feel better to be so angry?
My dear you haven't met my angry.

I am not close minded but when someone comes on and espouses that all the others but them are close minded methinks someone doth protest too much.

As I have already stated, but you keep reading past that part without comprehending is the fact I believe in to each their own. Different strokes for different folks ~ did you hear me now?

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These are all extremely ignorant and close-minded statements. This idea of yours that you have an open mind is laughable.
Yes, it is. I'm all for treating horses more humanely but the ONLY true thing about them is that they are all different. Some need shoes, some don't. Some prefer bits, some don't. And treeless saddles can fit wrong the same as treed ones.
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I'm all for bitless but you know, some horses just prefer bits. My boy from time to time gets fussy and I'll put him in his kimberwicke and then he'll let me know when he's tired of that and I'll go back to my Dr. Cook.

But there are some horses out there that absolutely do not like bitless. It should always be about what works for the horse.

Unless it weighs a ton... it's just a horse. Draft horse motto.
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post #30 of 38 Old 09-05-2010, 08:12 PM
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Bitless works for some horses if all you want to do is ride in a straight line. For anything more they are pretty useless.

Comparing a bit to a bitless rig (like the Dr. Cook) is like comparing a high quality, digital communication system to a tin can telephone. Both can work at a basic level, but only one can go beyond that.

Sometimes a sidepull is an alternative. It has the same lack of precision as the proprietary "bitless" rigs but is much cheaper. Some can also accomodate a bit without reins and this can be valuable if you are trasitioning from bitless to bit.

Several folks tout the hackemore. This is a very problematical device because it can be incredibly powerful but look pretty benign. It, too, is a poor device to teaching the horse to bend.

Since many training problems stem from a failure to bend (or a failure to yield to pressure) I am not a fan of anything that "bypasses" these important lessons. If there is a mouth pathology the prevents use of bit then bitless is viable. If it's just a "training shortcut" then it's a Bad Idea.

The advice about mouthpiece is very important. Many folks forget that a "snaffle" means no leverage, not "broken mouthpiece." Also, if you have small mouthed horse you don't want to cram a thick, "humane" mouthpiece in there. I know a couple of folks who had to abandon the KK bits as they are made mostly with the WB in mind and the bars are quite thick.

Personally, I like the Myler line of bits. They have a wide variety, are very well made, and they have some good advice in some of their publications. The downside is that they are not cheap. Still, the bit I'm using right now is over ten years old and shows little sign of age. So maybe quality doesn't cost, it pays.

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I have not used a bitless bridle but my goal is to get my horses to turn, stop and back with my body cues not reins so I would think the bitless bridle would work fine. Especially if some people can do this bridleless. If I get more confidence in myself and get my green horse responding just to my body cues I might try riding bridleless.
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