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  • How to put a spade bit in horse's mouth
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    09-25-2012, 01:18 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by mls    
So he is improving by leaps and bounds and yet you are questioning the bit????
that was a snarky comment. There are different ways to help then being snarky


When I took him into my possesion I changed over to a regular snaffle and he was the same no vices at all so I don't know what they could be covering. This past year I hjave had a horrible time with weight issues and farrier issues so I moved him back to the barn and they have made him a new horse again.he is gaining weight like crazy and their farrier had made a big difference in his feet . I put him back into training with them to get his gait back the way it should be due to feet issues and so forth and they put him back on that bit and istructed me to use it as well..Seeing that they know way more then me and have helped me with him I do what they say. But I just wasnt sure why everyone hates them so much
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    09-25-2012, 01:23 PM
  #12
Green Broke
Pick up the bit, and look at it. How does it look like it would feel? Painful.

People do not like them because they, in some cases, have had horrible physical and mental effects on the horses mouth. Mental, being the horses willingness to accept the bit. By all means, in some cases - the horse may never have an issue with the bit. But, as crimsonsky said, try the bit in your own arm. I personally, would find that uncomfortable in my mouth. All the time.
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    09-25-2012, 01:28 PM
  #13
Showing
What's wrong with a double twisted wire? It works off of pain. The mouthpiece is just plain painful to the horse, which is why the horse listens to it, and no one should ever need that bit except perhaps for a very short time in retraining a dangerously strong horse. Even then, I personally would opt for a Pelham or similar over a double twisted wire.
     
    09-25-2012, 01:32 PM
  #14
Green Broke
My phone decided to eat the second part of my post.

This bit is very very harsh. You have two different mouthpieces protruding up into the palate at once, they both crackerjack on the tongue in different places, then two wires irritate and hurt the horse’s lips to “make it listen.”

- the incredibly wise JustDressageIt.

Commonly, words association with this bit is 'A short cut'. Please, you have a sweet horse, try him out in a softer bit.
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    09-25-2012, 01:45 PM
  #15
Foal
This is a very harsh bit that teaches a horse to fear the bit and your hands, usually creating a high headset and little to no bit contact with the rider. A rider who does not have well-trained hands could unintentionally rip a horse's mouth to shreds with this bit, creating a fearful, headshy, nervous horse.

If your horse responds fine in less harsh bit, why put something in his mouth that punishes him?
     
    09-25-2012, 02:01 PM
  #16
Trained
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Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
Ok so some of you know my situating with my horse. Now I am back at the place and he is improving leaps and bounds. Now the trainer the barn owner and everyone there ,we are talking 50 boarders at least use double twisted wire bits.
They have me riding in one. Because at this point I am listening to everything they say.

What is cruel about double twisted wire? Does it hurt? Does it rub? I've seen post before where some of you have jumped on people for using those bits so im wondering why
I'm all about using the least amount of bit that will get the job done. That said, I have no problem using twisted wire single or double if I feel it needs to be there. I actually have not used a double twisted wire in about 30 years, but I have one. I prefer, and so do my horses, the Myler Comfort bits. They make a twisted snaffle that is still a Comfort bit but gives you just a little more if you need it.

Myler Twisted Snaffle Dee in Slow Twist / Double Jointed at Schneider Saddlery

Myler Dee Twisted Comfort Snaffle with Copper Roller (MB 03T) - product summary - Bing Shopping

Myler Dee Twisted Comfort Snaffle (MB 01T) - product summary - Bing Shopping

I've also seen someone rip a horse's mouth bloody with a fat snaffle because they were so ham fisted with their hands. A bit is as cruel as the hands using it.

Http://www.amazon.com/Coronet-Double-Twisted-Cheek-Snaffle/dp/B000CQV1N2
This type of bit just makes it so much easier to inflict pain and cause damage in unskilled hands that I really would not want someone who didn't understand just how much pain and damage they could inflict, to use it.

I hope some of this helps.
     
    09-25-2012, 02:20 PM
  #17
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
What is cruel about double twisted wire? Does it hurt? Does it rub? I've seen post before where some of you have jumped on people for using those bits so im wondering why

I don't know anything about that bit from first hand experience, and if you want bit advice, I think the best responses come from those with firsthand experience. Those would be the persons I would most want advice from if I were looking to change bits.

I would probably never even consider trying that bit because I would be fearful of being able to be consistently soft in my hands. There's always some time where you horse trips or something happens that makes you bop them in the mouth a bit. It happens. The thing about the double wire is that it looks like it's very hard to transmit very minimal cues because of the two broken spots, it might make it hard for the hrose to feel the minor tug on the lips on one side (when asking for flexion to one side) that can sometimes be enough to achieve a result. Instead, you have too many places for "noise" to be happening for the rider to be able to have real finesse.

Even a Spade bit, while looking super harsh, works in only ONE point of contact and communication; the palate.
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    09-25-2012, 02:39 PM
  #18
Trained
I'm with Dreamcatcher. If the bit works, it's YOUR hands dealing with your horse's mouth. It is true that bad hands can manhandle with a gentle-mouthpieced snaffle. Many Cowboys who rode with devilish 2 inch spade bits managed not to ruin their horses mouths, but some did. I think everyone just wants you to know that you could mess up your horse's mouth with a severe bit. I found a couple of alternatives for you to consider.
Gina Miles Loose Ring Waterford Bit - Statelinetack.com
Or this
FES Brushed Dee Ring Snaffle in D-Rings at Schneider Saddlery
Or this--
FES Brushed Dee Ring Snaffle in D-Rings at Schneider Saddlery
I kinda wonder why you started this thread. Honestly, I've made some comments on forums that I thought were either poorly communicated or misunderstood bc I decided, in the end, to ignore the advice I was given. I think you have already decided that you like the bit and the training, IMHO.
     
    09-25-2012, 02:47 PM
  #19
Weanling
You said he was doing well in a previous bit and then the barn owner/trainer instructed you to put him in the wire bit.

All I can say is, Independently educate yourself. Just because everyone at the barn is doing it, does not mean that your horse needs it also. It doesn't mean it's the right thing, doesn't mean anything. You will find that some trainers are very much, 'their way or the highway'. But you need to have educated yourself and know your horse enough to say "Thanks, but no thanks". This will be advice for everything dealing with horses. Not just his bit.

The people are trying to explain the topic you asked about. They are not being rude or snarky. But you sound already defensive with a thread title of "This will make ya'll mad".
     
    09-25-2012, 02:51 PM
  #20
Weanling
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Originally Posted by aldebono    
You said he was doing well in a previous bit and then the barn owner/trainer instructed you to put him in the wire bit.

All I can say is, Independently educate yourself. Just because everyone at the barn is doing it, does not mean that your horse needs it also. It doesn't mean it's the right thing, doesn't mean anything. You will find that some trainers are very much, 'their way or the highway'. But you need to have educated yourself and know your horse enough to say "Thanks, but no thanks". This will be advice for everything dealing with horses. Not just his bit.

The people are trying to explain the topic you asked about. They are not being rude or snarky. But you sound already defensive with a thread title of "This will make ya'll mad".
yeah because I always see negative when I see someone talking about that bit..just wanted to know why..and it was just one person not people
     

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