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post #21 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 02:17 PM
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Alright, I have a question for you. What is the reason for using this bit on your horse and what do you hope to achieve?

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post #22 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 02:27 PM
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Personally, if I was in your shoes (and this is up to you... it's your horse), I would let the trainer know I was uncomfortable with this particular bit and did not feel it was needed if my horse was riding well in a different type of snaffle. This is one that is considered about the most harsh and I wouldn't use them on my horses myself. Like I said, I've used a single twisted snaffle on a problem horse, but I really can't stand the double. Owie. I hate the idea of hurting a horse when it's completely unnecessary.

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post #23 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 02:33 PM
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what it really comes down to is a few points
1: do you feel he needs this bit
2: does he respond to this bit well or fight it
3: are you confident that if he does need this bit that you can use it right



if he doesnt need the bit in your opinion then try a different one.
im constantly trying out different bits with the horses i ride just to see what they like better.

we can all state our own opinions on here about this bit and whether its cruel or its a good working tool, or if people use it right whether its usable etc.

but we dont ride the horse, we dont control the hrose so ultimatey its up to you as his rider.

are you confident in YOUR abilities to use this bit right?

does he even need this bit at all or can you down grade?


ETA: any tool used with horses can either be a weapon or a good training aid based on the hands holding them. i personally dont have anything against twisted wires ive had to use them before for certain horses.

if hes comfortable with it, and if you dont abuse it i see no problem. if yout hink its overkill then easy fix- switch it out.

trainers words ARE NOT gospel. all they can do is ADVISE its your horse, you own him, you ride him. if neither of you are comfortable then switch it out. if the trainer doesnt like that oh well.
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post #24 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 02:47 PM
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Is this trainer training the other boarders too? This is one of those types of bits you SE once in a while. A barn of 50 all going in this bit is strange to say the least. I could understand a snaffle but not something that many consider to be a strong/harsh bit.
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post #25 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 03:20 PM
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Sounds like your "trainer" just uses violence instead of skill to achieve her ends. Sorry, but if everyone she teaches has these bits, she is a poor trainer....PERIOD!!

I have NEVER used one, never needed one and won't have one in my tack room. If a horse needs a double twisted wire bit, it goes back to the very beginning with lunging and proper work.

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post #26 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 03:29 PM
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Double mouthpieces are called scissor mouths, for a reason. Read this blog as it offer some decent education on snaffles. Scroll down to scissor mouths. Even she won't put double wire on there although she makes oblique reference. THAT is why people don't like them.

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post #27 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 03:44 PM
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I am not against using a twisted bit - HOWEVER, not a double twisted wire. and almost always the twisted bits I use are dogbone, lifesaver, or myler type mouthpieces...I know how to use them, the majority of other people do not. Also, the majority of double twisted bits are not made to my liking either. Poor quality...And the ones that are, tend to be coupled with gags, combos, shanks, etc which are a no-no for me with anything that was single jointed mouthpieces not covered with a barrel.

Okay that's enough of my rambling. I would ask to go back to a smooth snaffle or a twisted dogbone snaffle.

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post #28 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 03:45 PM
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Ahh!! Allison! It won't let me like your posts! D:

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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i love how people on here are always trying to catch in something..makes me really hate this forum sometimes.
I know what you mean about people jumping to conclusions before they ask questions. I think it happens particularly often when discussing topics that are of some sensitivity, such as bits.

As far as the double-twisted wire bit, DITCH IT. People who put twisted wire bits inside a walking horse's mouth are one step away from the same kinds of people who sore, chain and pad shoes. Your horse does NOT NEED PAIN to gait properly. If he went fine in a snaffle, go with that. Tell the "trainers" that although you appreciate their "expertise" that you prefer to use a snaffle on him, as both you and the horse feel the most comfortable with that kind of bit.
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post #30 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 04:50 PM
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You are talking about this bit, right? Teskey's Saddle Shop: Double Twisted Wire Snaffle 255511


I am not opposed to carefully using a twisted bit on a horse that needs something different but I do find it very very strange that a trainer is using the same thing on many different horses and is advising his/her clients to do the same.

That is a lot of bit and honestly, if your horse doesn't need it, try something less severe and see how that goes. If your horse does well with something less severe, chances are he didn't need it in the first place.

Also, how are your hands? Are you completely secure in your seat and not bobbing your hands about and bumping his mouth? If your answer is "sometimes" or "usually alright" I would change bits too. It isn't fair to be bumping (punishing) a horses mouth, especially when he hasn't done anything.

Again, I am less against the use of the bit then the improper use and the trainer who has multiple people using it. That is just... off.
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