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post #31 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 05:29 PM
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I'd be uncomfortable about the fact that your trainer has so many different horses riding in the same bit. As an "experienced" horseperson your trainer should be aware that all horses don't work the same in the same bit.

Some horses love a plain snaffle, some hate it and perfer a french link snaffle. Where I ride, each horse has a different bit and most of them are VERY different. Doc (my lesson horse) goes in a Junior Cowhorse bit with a copper roller, but Dee goes in a thicker, slow twisted snaffle combination bit with a rawhide noseband. Dolly rides in a low ported curb, and so on. And they all ride well, and are extremely happy horses.

I'm not against a twisted wire bit, but I wouldn't put it on my own horse. Especially a double. As someone mentioned above, it's very unclear, with multiple points of contact. It completley kills any finesse.

Honestly, I'd change your bit. If your horse rides in a plain snaffle, why upgrad? The only reason I see to change bits if for more finesse, not more strength.
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post #32 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 08:18 PM
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I go for the mildest bit, or no bit, that will work for the horse. Usually it is a case for more training if a simple mild bit will not work.
Sure a gentle bit can be harsh in the wrong hands but a harsh bit can be rough even with gentle hands. I just see no reason for them.
Of course I don't go for spurs either. I see people who ride in them all the time. Why? If the horse is well trained to move off your leg, they are not needed so why risk accidently poking your horse in the side by wearing them.
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post #33 of 63 Old 09-25-2012, 08:23 PM
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If you (not you, OP, but riders in general) can't do it in a plain snaffle or other 'basic' bit, I think there is room for improvement and re-training. Some people don't think it's worth it to do so, and that is their perogative. I can do everything I and my horse can do in both his french link and in his flat halter. The again, we're not winning dressage, reining or cross country competitions either, so YMMV.
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post #34 of 63 Old 09-26-2012, 06:25 PM
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By any chance, are you trail riding in this bit?

I think I'd asked the trainer, it an inquisitive manner, why he chose this bit.

He might have a good answer and I hope he does as I'm not one to by into all the hype surrounding bits.

Use what works....
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post #35 of 63 Old 09-26-2012, 07:48 PM Thread Starter
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By any chance, are you trail riding in this bit?

I think I'd asked the trainer, it an inquisitive manner, why he chose this bit.

He might have a good answer and I hope he does as I'm not one to by into all the hype surrounding bits.

Use what works....

Light trails..Im a big chicken. As soon as I catch him I will.I normally go out to ride after he has gone.

There was a lady there yesterday and I saw her with one and asked her if she liked that bt and she was all about it..Said her horse gaits better in it then he did with her old one...she said what the old one was but can't remember.
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post #36 of 63 Old 09-27-2012, 10:39 AM
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By any chance, are you trail riding in this bit?

I think I'd asked the trainer, it an inquisitive manner, why he chose this bit.

He might have a good answer and I hope he does as I'm not one to by into all the hype surrounding bits.

Use what works....
I was about to say the same thing. Ask the trainer why they believe this is the best bit for your horse. Ask if they ever use other bits, or if there ever comes a time when they believe a horse has "outgrown" the need for the double twisted wire and is able to move into something less severe.

I do think it's odd that a trainer uses the same (type of) bit on every horse they have in training. Not only that, but a fairly severe bit.

You can tell a lot about a person (especially someone who is a "professional" in their field) by their reaction to being asked for an explanation of why they use certain bits, equipment, etc.

Some of them really fly off the handle and get defensive, dismiss your "questions" as some kind of personal attack, and offer no actual answers.

They may be condescending, saying that they're the trainer and they know more than you so if you're not satisfied you can take your horse somewhere else.

Those are the ones you probably want to stay away from, because it's likely they know far less than they want you to think they know. They don't like being asked questions they don't know the answers to, or being questioned at all. . .they think that being the trainer = always being "right."

As for the bit making the horse gait better. . .sorry, but I'm not buying that one.

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post #37 of 63 Old 09-27-2012, 10:54 AM
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Light trails..Im a big chicken. As soon as I catch him I will.I normally go out to ride after he has gone.

There was a lady there yesterday and I saw her with one and asked her if she liked that bt and she was all about it..Said her horse gaits better in it then he did with her old one...she said what the old one was but can't remember.
Yeah, that's a common excuse among self-proclaimed walking horse experts. That statement right there is how you know they are full of it.
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I'm puzzled by your question. Why would we be mad because you ask a question? Now...if you asked me if I've stopped beating my husband yet...then Yes. I might be a little wrathy. But a simple question is nothing to get ticked off over.

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post #39 of 63 Old 09-28-2012, 03:58 AM
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In dealing with horses for over 20 years, I've never had to use a twist bit in any circumstance. I once used a regular twist to break a mare from slinging her head when she was young, however a copper roller bit does her fine now.
I would definitely ask your trainers why they feel it is necessary.
Every horse I own, all 8, and every horse I've broke to ride or have ridden (hundreds), have had simple broke bits in there mouth. Im not as up to date on the correct terminology of every brand and name of the bit, but I know what works.
To be honest, since I joined this forum, I have found the use of tack jargon is very different throughout this country. I'm a little old school and my simple pleasure is teaching.
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post #40 of 63 Old 09-28-2012, 08:09 AM Thread Starter
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Ok so here is a question for yall. How do I find the right bit for me..What am I looking for in a bit. I don't know enough to say this bit is better then another and I certinaly don't know what any of the bits do as far as the design of them.I placed that twisted wire bit in my arm like someone said and yeah it wasnt plesent. Do I just buy diffrent bots and try them?
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