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        10-21-2012, 10:04 AM
      #61
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Deej    
    Bits do not train a horse. You must train your horse. If you cannot stop, turn and walk on and back up in a beginning loose ring level 1 snaffle, then you need to start over on the ground. After this has been mastered move up to a level 2 D ring snaffle and then into a level 3, either snaffle of short shank leverage bit. And remember, One should not have to ride their horses face in order to get response from him. Leg cues and weight distribution should be your foremost communication aides. The bit should only be used for guidance and lite corrections. Later on, depending on your riding disciplines, one can then go to other, more complex bits. And Always with Lite hands. =)
    I couldn't agree more. Since this wasn't my horse and I'd probably never be at the trail riding facility again, I had no say and took no notice of what was in her mouth. I didn't tack her and honestly, didn't have the experience to even look what they put her in.

    I'd gone with a "trainer" (I use the word loosely as he's really an idiot disguised as a trainer) so he could break a young mft mare for sale. An older woman was coming to look at her in a couple days and the mare hadn't even learned to walk on a lead. She learned this and was put under saddle, then trail ridden in the course of one day. I was on the mare they'd just gotten in, that nobody had even thrown a leg over, so the trail ride was to give the just then broke horse time to be on a trail. One day of harsh training and they were selling her as a trail horse. I was happy to hear the buyer passed on her..
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        10-21-2012, 10:54 AM
      #62
    Weanling
    The bit is primarily a communication device. It transmits the rider's command from the hand to the mouth. It is not intended to be the only "communication device" but it is a primary, natural aid (the three natural aids being hand, seat, and leg).

    Clear communication of rider desire will mean improved equine performance. The horse that understands a command will perform better than one that doesn't. This should be intuitive with any rider and even more so with any trainer. Adding power to the bit does not, necessarily, add clarity; it may just add volume. Add other functions to the bit (like elevation of the head, lowering of the head, etc.) dilutes effective communication and that, by itself, can lead to a lack of "clarity" to the horse.

    Pick the bit that best communicates with your horse. One bit does not serve for all horses. One class of bit is not appropriate for all disciplines.

    Regarding the "one rein stop," it is grossly overvalued as an "emergency brake." It will work only if (1) the rider is correctly trained in its use and, (2) the horse is trained to respond to it. You haven't lived until you've been astride a horse that is bent to the left in the shape of bow with it's nose **** near up its butt and is moving sideways to the right at a high rate of speed (and can't see a **** thing in that direction). Ask me know I know.

    Effective, lasting equine training takes time. It requires intelligent repetition (meaning that the rider is consistent in their use of cues and aids). It's not done in a day (much less in a few hours, a la the abomination called "The Road to the Horse"; getting a youngster started as a race between ego-laden gurus is a fine way to ruin a good animal).

    Col. Alois Podhajsky (former Riding Master at the Spanish Riding School) had a mantra that went "I have time." Any person who does not have time needs to exchange their horse for a Harley.

    G.
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        10-21-2012, 11:32 AM
      #63
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Guilherme    
    The bit is primarily a communication device. It transmits the rider's command from the hand to the mouth. It is not intended to be the only "communication device" but it is a primary, natural aid (the three natural aids being hand, seat, and leg).

    Clear communication of rider desire will mean improved equine performance. The horse that understands a command will perform better than one that doesn't. This should be intuitive with any rider and even more so with any trainer. Adding power to the bit does not, necessarily, add clarity; it may just add volume. Add other functions to the bit (like elevation of the head, lowering of the head, etc.) dilutes effective communication and that, by itself, can lead to a lack of "clarity" to the horse.

    Pick the bit that best communicates with your horse. One bit does not serve for all horses. One class of bit is not appropriate for all disciplines.

    Regarding the "one rein stop," it is grossly overvalued as an "emergency brake." It will work only if (1) the rider is correctly trained in its use and, (2) the horse is trained to respond to it. You haven't lived until you've been astride a horse that is bent to the left in the shape of bow with it's nose **** near up its butt and is moving sideways to the right at a high rate of speed (and can't see a **** thing in that direction). Ask me know I know.

    Effective, lasting equine training takes time. It requires intelligent repetition (meaning that the rider is consistent in their use of cues and aids). It's not done in a day (much less in a few hours, a la the abomination called "The Road to the Horse"; getting a youngster started as a race between ego-laden gurus is a fine way to ruin a good animal).

    Col. Alois Podhajsky (former Riding Master at the Spanish Riding School) had a mantra that went "I have time." Any person who does not have time needs to exchange their horse for a Harley.

    G.
    I always appreciate what you've got to say! At the time I was new to horses (as an adult) and new to Florida. This wonderful guru was reccommended to me. Eh, the stories I could tell..I doubt anyone would believe. The only things he knew where to go forward, stop, back and move off leg. He was/is still, a trick trainer..now That's a whole 'nother topic.

    When I found a REAL trainer, I learned so much more!! And yes, I used to own a horse that specialized in pointing her face in the air and running as fast as she could to the left, nose pointed right. It IS scary..she couldn't see where she was going and honestly, she didn't care. She still did this after throwing herself off a ravine, rolling over a few times, in the process she rolled over her rider, out in CA. This mare was sold to me as a beginner/child safe horse. I found out the details later.

    My USDF gold medal trainer always told me about communication through the bit. She likened it to "ringing the telephone"..it should be subtle, direct without being heavy handed.
         

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