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  • Equine gait gene dominant or recessive
  • Half gaited half non gaited foals

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    06-22-2012, 10:40 AM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by Guilherme    
Maybe we have to ask a different question.

Are we talking about "back yard breeding" where an "oh, so beautiful stallion" is being stood to an "oh, so special mare"? Without any regard to type, color, movement, etc.? If so, it's a monumentally bad idea.

Are we talking about trying to create a new type, and ultimately a new breed? If the breeder has the time (several decades), money (a lot), and expertise (including a good eye for brood stock selection, foal evaluation, and a willingness to put down breeding failures) then I've no real heartburn with it.

G.
Are you suggesting euthanasia for a horse that doesn't gait just right? Most grade horses are not "gaited".
     
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    06-22-2012, 02:35 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Celeste    
Are you suggesting euthanasia for a horse that doesn't gait just right? Most grade horses are not "gaited".
I'm suggesting euthanasia for poor quality foals that will grow into poor quality horses. Trotting or gaiting makes no difference.

G.
     
    06-22-2012, 03:12 PM
  #13
Green Broke
The reason that you see so many gaited crosses out there is bc the gene for gaiting is dominant. I have owned 5 TWH crosses and they ALL preferred a running walk to a trot, and they rode like a purebred, IMO.
     
    06-22-2012, 04:00 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Corporal    
The reason that you see so many gaited crosses out there is bc the gene for gaiting is dominant. I have owned 5 TWH crosses and they ALL preferred a running walk to a trot, and they rode like a purebred, IMO.
No gene for "gaiting" has ever been identified. IMO it doesn't exist.

I've seen at least that many gaited crosses (TWH, Racking, Paso Fino, Mangalarga Marchador) that did not gait. I've even seen grade gaited horses (that were half trotter) bred back to gaited stallion and still produce trotting offspring.

As noted, whenever you leave the established bloodlines of any breed you are playing the "genetic lottery."

G.
     
    06-22-2012, 04:27 PM
  #15
Foal
No. I see no point in breeding a walker to anything but a walker.

I have seen a few walker crosses, and they haven't walked.

I wouldn't breed a paso to a walker either.

I don't see where a non-gaited horse would benefit a gaited horse and vice versa. The standards of conformation are different, the movement and action is different. JMO.

(I'm only using walkers as a reference point because that is where my experience is.)
     
    06-22-2012, 07:04 PM
  #16
Trained
The jury is out on the genetics for gaiting. It is being studied at Cornell.
     
    06-22-2012, 10:40 PM
  #17
Weanling
I had a really beautiful TWH/Arabian cross. She didn't gait but she had the softest easiest trot I've ever ridden and a wonderful rocking horse canter.
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    06-22-2012, 11:10 PM
  #18
Trained
I have a QH/TWH ccross-also very smooth gaits. Like sitting on my couch, but a traditional walk-jog-lope.....and a super personality.
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    06-23-2012, 08:45 AM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Celeste    
The jury is out on the genetics for gaiting. It is being studied at Cornell.
I doubt that there is a single "gait gene" because gait exists on a spectrum of movement from the broken pace to the broken trot. These movements can be quite different (compare and contrast the Fino to the flying tolt, for example).

In any event, the question is out-crossing gaited to non-gaited. IME it's a very dicey proposition and produces a lot of truly poor quality horses.

G.
     
    06-23-2012, 08:59 AM
  #20
Yearling
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Originally Posted by horseluver2435    

I would probably not breed gaited to non-gaited. If I want a nice gaited horse, then I would purchase a nice gaited horse. I guess I am in the camp of no nonsense breeding, period. If I was breeding for a gaited horse, I would want the best chance for it to inherit good conformation which would lead to lovely, balanced, natural gaits, which would mean two well conformed gaited parents.
Sorry if that's confusing... but you wanted opinions, right? (:
Good thing the history of horse breeding the the US didn't follow that course or we wouldn't have any of the US gaited breeds we have today. If you check their ancestry you'll find non gaited breed bloodlines in the foundations of all of todays US gaited breeds. They have replaced most, if not all of the gaited breeds that were mixed with non gaited breeds used in developing them.
     

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