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    05-30-2012, 10:17 PM
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Question Calling all padded TWH show people

I don't want to discuss abuse, as in beating into submission, nuts/bolts under the pads, soring, etc as this has been discussed, ad nauseam. Or even whether it's abuse to use pads in the first place! What I would like to know is when did padding the shoes come into vogue in the show arena? I doubt the plantation owners did this, but I could be wrong! Did it start with a little and as time went on, people kept adding to it or did...bamm....it happen over night?
     
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    05-31-2012, 12:55 AM
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Yearling
If I am not mistaken it started in the late 60's early 70's. Certain folks within the TWH world decided it looked good and it blew up from there. I do believe it was an accidental find on a couple rehabs. I am trying to find the old website and can't seem to. *weird*
     
    05-31-2012, 10:52 AM
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Weanling
This is an interesting video, showing some of the "early" WGC's up until about the mid-seventies. You can see a difference in the movement of the horse as pads/chains became more popular.


(and, to clarify, I am NOT a Big Lick person, I do not support the "performance" Walking Horse and think the whole division just needs to go away - true talent cannot be nailed, strapped, or painted on)
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    05-31-2012, 11:18 AM
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Thanks for the responses! Those riders at the beginning of the film were so still, they looked to be gliding on the air and not the horse! I'm not one for the Big Lick, just curious to its origin.
     
    05-31-2012, 06:04 PM
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Green Broke
First off, my opinion on the subject is changing.

I don't own show horses, nor have I ever engaged in any type of horse event other than trail riding.

As a child our family often went to several walking horse shows a year. I've always considered it a great tradition, or heritage, unique to the local area, that's spread throughout the world.

I've always thought the high stepping walking horse was a beautiful thing to behold and never considered the things some people do to get the horse to do it.

What's know known as the "big lick" to my recollection, has always been, although it was exaggerated from what the horse performed in the 1960's.

Some time in that period, the horses gait got higher and faster.

I seem to always remember pads at shows on walking horses.

When people first started pointing out the cruelty involved in making a "big Lick" horse I thought it just another attack on conservative america, or another attempt to undermine those unique traditions some of us americans look at as our heritage. This issue tears deep at my soul as the Walking horse I've partnered with is about the sweetest horse god ever created. Her name is Lacy but I call her "too sweet".

The idea that someone could abuse such a wonderful animal is foreign to me. I just don't understand how anyone could possibly do it, but it's clear to me that more than just a few show people engage in the practice.

I'd very much like to see the tradition continue, but there has to be something done to stop the madness behind it.

Honestly, I don't know if the people involved can make it happen.

I have a good friend who's been involved with showing walking horses and she tells me soring goes all the way to the roots of the sport, as early as the late 1940's. She has no reason to lie about it, and it upsets her just as much as it does me. That's the reason she got out of it. I've commented that I'd love to go to the celebration this year as I feel like the breed itself needs the support, and also to see for myself.

My mother always told me "believe none of what you hear and half of what you see".

In no way do I want to be associated with the practice of soring, yet I will admit, there is a nostalgia that draws me to enjoy the celebration again that I enjoyed as a child. It was a big deal then, to a lot of people. Were we blind?

So, judge me not in haste. I'm still struggling to make sense of the whole thing.
     
    06-01-2012, 11:09 AM
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Yearling
The Big Lick began with Talk of the Town, who won the WGC in '50, '51, and '52 (the only three time winner). To compete the other trainers needed to either breed for this movement or otherwise get it. Training and action devices were the two non-breeding barn choices. They opted for the action devices because they were cheap and effective in creating a winning movement.

Time progressed and the movement became more extreme. By the mid-'50s soring up a horse to achieve the Big Lick was common. Sports Illustrated did an expose' in the late '50s, documenting the cruelty that was used. Practices did not change. In 1968 LIFE magazine did a full photo spread showing the cruel practices in use. The result was a promise to clean up and the first HPA. Practices did not change. Multiple times since then the cruel practices of the Big Lick trainers were exposed and each time a promise was made to end them. Nothing changed.

So here we are, a half century after the first public discussion of these practices and nothing has changed. Nothing will change as long as the Celebration puts bums in the seats at Calsonic.

G.
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    06-01-2012, 11:24 AM
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Green Broke
IMO .. just like in some other disciplines .. there was some horse that won because he XYZ'd .. so the next guy tried to get his horse to XYZ. Before you know it, it's taken to the extreme ..

Example: WP horses. When SLOOOOOOOOW horses started winning WP, everyon slowed their horses down until many jog in the back during a lope and walk in the back during a jog... and few look natural.

Then low headed horses started winning so people started trying to get their horses heads to be lower than the next guy. What we end up with is a "winning" horse that would have a hard time doing the job it was originally created for.

It's the same thing with "high stepping" .. or any other "winning" movement .... It's like a "fad gone wild" for the sake of "winning" ...

All my opinion .. of course.
     
    06-02-2012, 06:58 PM
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Weanling
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Originally Posted by texasgal    
IMO .. just like in some other disciplines .. there was some horse that won because he XYZ'd .. so the next guy tried to get his horse to XYZ. Before you know it, it's taken to the extreme ..

Example: WP horses. When SLOOOOOOOOW horses started winning WP, everyon slowed their horses down until many jog in the back during a lope and walk in the back during a jog... and few look natural.

Then low headed horses started winning so people started trying to get their horses heads to be lower than the next guy. What we end up with is a "winning" horse that would have a hard time doing the job it was originally created for.

It's the same thing with "high stepping" .. or any other "winning" movement .... It's like a "fad gone wild" for the sake of "winning" ...

All my opinion .. of course.
Yep, that's exactly what it is.

Same thing that happened to many breeds of dog in the conformation show ring. The "breed standard" is being taken to the extreme and then rewarded by judges, so people start to aim for that extreme.

Before you know it, the "show" animal can no longer do the job it was originally intended to do.
     
    06-02-2012, 07:52 PM
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Showing
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Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    
This is an interesting video, showing some of the "early" WGC's up until about the mid-seventies. You can see a difference in the movement of the horse as pads/chains became more popular.

Tennessee walking horse world grand champions (early years) - YouTube

(and, to clarify, I am NOT a Big Lick person, I do not support the "performance" Walking Horse and think the whole division just needs to go away - true talent cannot be nailed, strapped, or painted on)
The first 1:15 or so of this was beautiful. Why can't we go back to this?
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    06-02-2012, 08:52 PM
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I agree
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