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post #191 of 270 Old 09-29-2012, 12:19 AM
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--you have the far right who is in 100% favor of the activity. regardless of what practices are involved. and could care less what anyone else thinks
--you have dead center which is pretty much apathy. really doesnt care one way or the other. doesnt support but doesnt go up in arms.
--you have far left who vocally breaths violence, wishes death and destruction on anyone thats on the other side of middle ground. and has contempt pretty much for anyone else who doesnt have the same mind set.

its everyones personal decision where they rank on the scale. i know where i rank, where do you?
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post #192 of 270 Old 09-29-2012, 12:21 AM
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Ok, here's one for you, in honor of this wonderful American icon




I LOVE this song! literally brings tears to my eyes. Would any of you who are good with making videos, use this song and put it to some better visuals? pretty please?
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sorry, i shoulda stated it was a hypothetical question. i wasnt really prying in your personal business, thoughts or opinions.
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post #194 of 270 Old 09-29-2012, 12:24 AM
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yup always liked that song. thanks for posting.
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I'm serious. I want someone to make that into a better video, of lovely TWh 's NO BIG LICK at all. Would any of you gaiting people be able to do that? pretty please?
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I'm not a gaiting horse owner, much less even a horse owner and I found a video that is exactly the same length as the song video but I need to dl some proggies to be able to make it a video with flat shod TWH! Hope everyone will love it!
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post #197 of 270 Old 09-29-2012, 05:08 AM
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That just looks awkward and uncomfortable for all involved. Why would anyone want their horse to do that?
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post #198 of 270 Old 09-29-2012, 08:58 AM
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--you have the far right who is in 100% favor of the activity. regardless of what practices are involved. and could care less what anyone else thinks
--you have dead center which is pretty much apathy. really doesnt care one way or the other. doesn't support but doesn't go up in arms.
--you have far left who vocally breaths violence, wishes death and destruction on anyone thats on the other side of middle ground. and has contempt pretty much for anyone else who doesnt have the same mind set.

its everyones personal decision where they rank on the scale. i know where i rank, where do you?
There is ground in between those categories. I actually sympathize with McConnell's groom. He was ****ed if he did and ****ed if he didn't. He had to work and feed his family. He didn't have a lot of options. Ideally he should have taken the higher ground and refused but then there is no food for the kids.

I used to be a police officer in a small town. There were times I absolutely hated it because I could see where others were coming from. I knew the stories, I knew the history. However violence against those who couldn't defend themselves I did not tolerate. I'm afraid I put McConnell in exactly the same category as people who mug old ladies, pedophiles and rapists. He is a violent predator. His assets should have been seized, they are fruit of a crime. Exactly the same as law enforcement seizing a drug dealers car or home. Sale of those assets being earmarked for more enforcement of the horse protection act and it's companion state laws. Hitting them hard in the pocketbook is the best solution. It would only take a few being used as examples and having everything seized to short circuit the big lick abomination.
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most defiinitley. there are shades of grey in everything. im in the grey thats for sure. either extreme is ridiculous from a moral standpoint. and so far only the left is illegal. rightly it should. soon no doubt the right will also be illegal. its just a matter of time. i believe its starting to crumble now.
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The pressure to change and tighten existing laws needs to remain. I know darn well that these serial abusers will just go underground for a bit and hope it blows over. They will donate heavily to a politicians campaign. They will call their grooms trainers so they have a scapegoat.

I've never had the urge to hurt anybody. As horrid a sub-human I think McConnell and his like are I don't want to pound in into arena dirt. Public embarrassment and serious financial repercussions are the way to these creatures. They are greed driven.

Little war story:
We once got a call for an assault that was taking place in some apartment housing. We got there and an adult male was being pulled off another in the hallway. The man on the ground was badly beaten, broken bones, cuts, bruises. He had the snot beaten right out of him and then some. It turns out the man on the ground had just thrown a 4 yr old across the room and proceeded to kick her back across the room and out the apt. door. The neighbor came out and proceeded to knock the knock the crap out of the ^&%^&@#.

The baby went via ambulance to a hospital that had a better trauma dept. The man on the ground went to our local hosp. Myself and another officer rode in the ambulance with this man. Not to protect the EMT's but to protect him from them. Their reaction was such that we were afraid the gurney might slip out the back doors as it going down the highway. (oops! too bad! so sad!)

Both men were eventually charged with assault. Didn't want to charge one, believe me. The injuries were such that we had to and cover our butts. The prosecutor eventually dropped the charges on the man that came to the rescue of the baby. Actually I believe the grand jury refused to indict. It was a pretty normal gut reaction. The man that beat the baby did time. Point being had we gone with our gut reaction we would have kicked the SOB a few more times while he was down. Would have let the EMTs drop him a few more times(I'm told you can get good bounce on a gurney going down a Victorian style stairwell). But then we would have been no better than the animal beating a baby in the first place.

Higher moral ground
Working within the system for best outcome
and yes, McConnell is absolutely the same type of creature as the one that beat the baby.

FOSH's map is kinda interesting
Definitely got a cluster in the southeastern states.

The names and numbers are ****ing. Only one person on the list of TWH elite that hasn't been nailed.


WALKING HORSE TRAINER’S ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS
President Jamie Hankins, Paris, Ky. – 1 Violation
1st Vice President Mickey McCormick, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 12 Violations
2nd Vice President David Landrum, Fraklin, Tenn. – 4 Violations

Directors:
Jamie Bradshaw, Franklin, Tenn. – 2 Violations
Wayne Dean, Lewisburg, Tenn. – 5 Violations
Philip Trimble, Pulaski, Tenn. -- 3 Violations
Dale Watts, Summit, Miss. – 5 Violations
Billy Gray, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 10 Violations
Brock Tillman, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 4 Violations
Link Webb, Lewisburg, Tenn. – 6 Violations
Larry Wheelon, Maryville, Tenn. – 12 Violations
Chris Bobo, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 0 Violations
Derek B. Bonner, Mooreboro, N.C. – 5 Violations
John Allen Callaway III, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 5 Violations
Bill Cantrell, Phenix, City, Ala. (Ex-Officio) – 2 Violations
Total– 76 Violations
* * *
WALKING HORSE OWNER’S ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Vice President Tam Brogdon, Panama City, Fla. – 1 Violation
Treasurer Richard Greer, Lenoir, N.C. – 2 Violations
Jean Baum, Ixonia, Wisc. – 1 Violation
Betty Denton, Estill Springs, Tenn. – 2 Violations
Sally Fleck, Shelbyville, Tenn. -- 5 Violations
Darden Gladney, Homer, La. – 3 Violations
Don Hancock, Princeton, Ky. – 10 Violations
Phyllis Langley, Sandpoint, Idaho – 3 Violations
Peggy Moore, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 1 Violation
Andy Rippy, Greenbrier, Tenn. – 1 Violation
Iris Schuman, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 1 Violation
Beth Sims, Bell Buckle, Tenn. – 2 Violations
Gail Walling, Wartrace, Tenn. – 1 Violation
Total– 33 Violations
* * *
TENNESSEE WALKING HORSE BREEDERS & EXIBITORS ASSOCIATION
BOARD OF DIRECTORS

President Marty Irby, Murfreesboro, Tenn. – 1 Violation
Sr. Vice President Margo Urad, Rockwall, Texas – 1 Violation
Equine Welfare Vice President Dr. Linda Montgomery, Hurtsboro, Ala. – 1 Violation
Training Vice President Wayne Dean, Lewisburg, Tenn. – 5 Violations
Secretary Alie Napier, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 1 Violation

At-Large Directors:
Curtis Rosemann, Cave Creek, Ariz. – 2 Violations
David Mullins, Good Hope, Ga. – 1 Violations
Sam Sorrell, Lexington, Ky. – 1 Violations
Robert Stannard, Lebanon, Ky. – 1 Violations
Ronnie Vincent, Lexington, Ky. – 2 Violations
Darden Gladney, Homer, La. – 3 Violations
Tom Kakassy, Gastonia, N.C. – 4 Violations
Ronald Mosley, Mt. Airy, N.C. – 7 Violations
Sally Fleck, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 5 Violations
Ty Irby, Shelbyville, Tenn. – 6 Violations
Nancy Groover, Longview, Texas – 2 Violations
Ann King, Kaufman, Texas – 2 Violations
Sandra Hankins, Tazewell, Va. – 3 Violations
Total: 48 Violations
* * *
The Top 20 Trainers in the Rider Cup program have 164 Horse Protection Act violations in the past two years.
The SHOW (organization) has 140 certified judges who have a combined 312 HPA violations.
The PRIDE (organization) has 100 certified judges who have a combined 182 HPA violations.
* * *
I'm thinking the inspectors need to have a vet from the northern New England states come down and go around with them. No cronyism. Nothing to loose. A detached and neutral expert witness. I could think of a few who'd be game. Get a 2 wk stay at some little farm or ranch and hit horse shows.
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