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post #211 of 270 Old 10-13-2012, 03:38 AM
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I joined this site because of the broad knowledge of horses from different members, as well as wanting to learn about breeds i know nothing of.

Heres a little background of myself....
I own 8 TWH's. Ive been to numerous shows, events, and competetions of TWH's. Ill be the first to admit, i know nothing of many of the breeds. I grew up riding TWH's bareback down old country roads and was lucky i got that instead of a stubborn donkey. Out of the hundreds of different shows and such i have been two in KY, I have seen 3 "big lick walkers". I dont attend shelbyville for obvious reasons, and mostly because i only like going when im in them. (I always get mad when i go to a show without mine and realize i could have won easily lol) however, once you get away from the big shows and WGC, its really not that common, atleast in KY.
As is everybody with the breeds the love, I fully believe that the TWH is the most naturally smoothe and gaited horses, and outdoes any other horse in the world. I have never put pads on my horses feet or built up stacks because it is useless. I want my horses because i like to ride. What am i going to do with a big lick walker on a 20 mile trail ride in the woods? It's the show and fame driven people that are the problem.
My personal ride, "Bo" is a 12 year old gelding. His daddy and granddaddy were WGC TWH's. Ive been with him since day one, and out of all the horses ive rode is my favorite by far. However, in his 12 years of existence, he's only been flat shod every time, and only been shod by me.
Tomorrow, I will try to take video (if it isnt raining) of me riding him in his natural 2 gaits, the walk, and the running walk. I do not canter, i do not trot, and i do not gallop. Since the day he dropped on the ground he has had the two gaits i will put him through, and i think some of you not familiar with TWH's other than the scary "big lick" ads you see everywhere will be surprised at how elegant and smoothe these horses are when rode correctly. He's a bit of a firecracker, but the longer you ride, the hotter he gets, and the more smoothe he becomes.
I know ive been surprised to see different breeds of horses do things that i didnt know they could do on here, as well as learning some horses do things ive never heard of.
If theres one thing i do know about horses, its Tennessees.
I think it's time to show these Big Lick guys what a real natural gait looks like.
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post #212 of 270 Old 10-13-2012, 04:46 PM
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Hate this style of riding with a passion. Very unnatural and looks ugly.....Has anyone seen horses in thier natural state move like this? I had hoped by now with all the information out there about natural horsemanship, folks would quit putting these beautiful horses thru this type of riding... Makes me sick.
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post #213 of 270 Old 10-13-2012, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Diegosmom View Post
Why do men that show walkers sit like their back is broke and their necks stick out like a crane. You dont see the women sitting like that but ALL the men do.

It's their way of saying "Look how awesome this horse is. He's carrying around a drunk, half-dead man and he's doing it with so much style you'd think he's proud of doing it!"

* I'm often reading and posting from mobile and Siri loves to make a mockery of the English language.
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post #214 of 270 Old 10-13-2012, 06:03 PM
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The "style" of riding is not the problem. Saddleseat in itself is not about this torture. Don't lump all breeds and riders of Saddleseat into the atrocious "big lick" category.
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post #215 of 270 Old 10-13-2012, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DancingArabian View Post
It's their way of saying "Look how awesome this horse is. He's carrying around a drunk, half-dead man and he's doing it with so much style you'd think he's proud of doing it!"

all the riders are drunk and half dead?
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post #216 of 270 Old 11-27-2015, 02:25 PM
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I hope my 2 cents are worth resurrecting this thread. The "turtle/vulture position" might have to do with strained/overworked backs. Men (in general) tend to physically labour more than women, can't force yourself to sit up in that state; nothing to do with sense of balance.
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post #217 of 270 Old 11-27-2015, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jaydee View Post
Horses were frequently docked in those days - to look 'smart' (not just for draft horses) but that was a practice that was banned in the UK in 1949 as part of the docking and nicking act - the nicking is this procedure for creating that false tail carriage so its possible it did come from the Plantation owner days - purely fashion.
Docking a horses tail has been illegal in NZ for over 40 years. Is it still legal in USA? UK?
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post #218 of 270 Old 11-27-2015, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dead Rabbit View Post
i used to raise pits. i had the game bred pits, the bully blue type, and a few am. staffordshires.

i always cropped their ears. i love that look. i had one brood bitch that i bought after she was 6 months old and didnt want to put her through that. and she looked great to. but most all i raised or bought, always ears cut and natural tail. cute is in the eye of the beholder,

as for mastiffs ive never seen any that were cropped, ears or tail. im referring to the english, im assuming thats what you were referrencing.
You have pretty much summed up why these practices continue. People are 'conditioned' to like these looks.


People can be so barbaric.
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post #219 of 270 Old 11-27-2015, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny View Post
Ok, here's one for you, in honor of this wonderful American icon

Eddy Arnold... Tennessee Stud.wmv - YouTube

I LOVE this song! literally brings tears to my eyes. Would any of you who are good with making videos, use this song and put it to some better visuals? pretty please?
For me this video come up with "The YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement"
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post #220 of 270 Old 11-27-2015, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dead Rabbit View Post
I never said that soring was part of the heritage of the south. its a tool to achieve fame and wealth. but the south and true southerners are deep into keeping things "real" which i understand and highly support. with this said i do not advocate the destruction of a horse for the sheer reason of show, wealth and fame. i would have nothing to do with it. period.
..but when you think it looks 'pretty' its ok to mutilate a dogs ears ..

BUT i do not go off the deep end, pushing my views on others. I do not shed tears looking at videos on youtube. i do not Hate individuals that practice this. I will not get caught up in the silliness of the far left on this subject. or any subject for that matter.
Unfortunately this is true. Extreme left often do more harm than good for their cause.

its not my way.

my way, is to not be involved in those practices and let the law figure it out. its heading in that direction anyway. a few more yrs and you will have to find another cause to champion.
But surely you realize that the 'Law' often only step up to some responsibilities after overwhelming petition from the public, and then usually only when it will get them votes :( ?

i believe that comparing those that participate in the Big Lick and serial killers is a ridiculous stretch. id be more concerned for some here that threaten violence and other forms of revenge than to some ol boy that likes his horse to pick his feet up............. its a common trait of the animal righteous types to stretch things, exaggerate, and show the weak and ignorant. those that dont take the time to get both sides of the issure. I dont like the far left animal righteous types. i dont like the HSUs and i detest PETA. nothing will change my mind. but that does not make me the enemy. in fact im on the animals side. not on the side of a bunch of fanatics that are funded by a number of wealthy that have the power and finances to force their thoughts and opinions on me.
I think the point was that from small meanness it is gradual steps up to arrive at cruelty. An extra heavy shoe, to mustard or other burning method, chains ...on it goes. The extreme becomes acceptable, ordinary until someone steps in and says enough

by the way, sparing the rod does not mean beatings. or even spankings. in biblical language it mean discipline. and there are other means of discipline than spankings. but spankings are not a bad thing either. at times. if it works for that particular child.
there is no comparison in true dicipline based on love and concern , and holding a knife to someones throat. you were in a bad situation. thats for sure. and hopefully you are able to deal with the residual effects.

believe it or not. you and i are on the same side. i have similar thoughts and opinions that you do..... im just a little more moderate about things, and perhaps patient too. i used to be a fight fire with fire type. but i figured out, that type of mentality makes life miserable. i like to be happy.

heres a question for ya. how do you know all the big lick horses are put down early? how do you know they are all lame, useless? id be interested in learning more about this, other than b/c an individual or two said so. im much deeper thoughted than that.
You don't have to be knee deep in this to work it out. Unnaturally built up shoes/feet is going to put strain on tendons, muscles, back, nails in feet, burning..... People who have trained these unfortunate horses have told how its done, it is painful for the horse, that has to affect their mental state. And don't come at me that 'if they didn't like it they would fight it' - we wouldn't see the ones that fought it to the death, and history has enough examples of animals and people accepting astonishing situations out of fear...
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