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    08-25-2011, 07:37 PM
  #1
Weanling
Celebration

I know you are all anti padded walking horse and I am as well but is anyone fallowing it this year.I know it started yesterday and was wondering if you knew of any free live streams going on.Ide love to watch.I went every year as a kid and would love to watch the light shod horses because I never paid attention to them as a kid.
     
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    08-26-2011, 08:54 AM
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I live 12 miles from the Grounds. I will be visiting vendors, including the Optimist Club's donut booth, but I will not be observing any classes - not even lite shod because I know for fact even some of those horses hooves have been tampered with.

I hate that I am not contributing because it's not only a wonderful tradition that goes back to 1939 in this county, it provides a huge income for our county that helps keep real estate taxes down.

It doesn't help that it's "buckin' hot". The thermometer at my house has hit over 100 degrees the last few days, in spite of what all the Nasville weathermen say. That kind of heat and I don't get along, so it's another reason to visit the vendors early, come home and smooch my three Tennessee Walkers, two of whom didn't "make" when they were young, and just hide my head in the sand

I know that's ugly and I sincerely apologize but it is how I feel until somebody comes to their senses and realizes all the penalties and fines in the world won't help until they start aiming them at the judges that tie a horse they know full-well has a trainer and/or owners that submit it to certain tactics to "enhance" the gait it was born with:(
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    08-27-2011, 04:19 PM
  #3
Foal
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
I live 12 miles from the Grounds. I will be visiting vendors, including the Optimist Club's donut booth, but I will not be observing any classes - not even lite shod because I know for fact even some of those horses hooves have been tampered with.

I hate that I am not contributing because it's not only a wonderful tradition that goes back to 1939 in this county, it provides a huge income for our county that helps keep real estate taxes down.

It doesn't help that it's "buckin' hot". The thermometer at my house has hit over 100 degrees the last few days, in spite of what all the Nasville weathermen say. That kind of heat and I don't get along, so it's another reason to visit the vendors early, come home and smooch my three Tennessee Walkers, two of whom didn't "make" when they were young, and just hide my head in the sand

I know that's ugly and I sincerely apologize but it is how I feel until somebody comes to their senses and realizes all the penalties and fines in the world won't help until they start aiming them at the judges that tie a horse they know full-well has a trainer and/or owners that submit it to certain tactics to "enhance" the gait it was born with:(

I commend you for sticking to your beliefs, and, being respectful about it. I agree with everything you've said. Sad...
     
    08-31-2011, 08:20 AM
  #4
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Dark Horse    
I commend you for sticking to your beliefs, and, being respectful about it. I agree with everything you've said. Sad...
Got a call today from a lady who is a friend of my moms.Her husband is a farrier and he is out there and the celebration this year is in jeopardy of being shut down before it ends.One class 8 out of the 13 were disqualified.Another class the 2and place horse was disqualified and they are all dropping like flies going into inspections.

If you know the horse is going to be inspected,why do it? I mean isn't it just common seance not to soar these horses if you are going to be watched.If collectively they all stop then they would all be in the same advantage in the ring and not be fined.
     
    08-31-2011, 09:37 AM
  #5
Foal
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Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
Got a call today from a lady who is a friend of my moms.Her husband is a farrier and he is out there and the celebration this year is in jeopardy of being shut down before it ends.One class 8 out of the 13 were disqualified.Another class the 2and place horse was disqualified and they are all dropping like flies going into inspections.

If you know the horse is going to be inspected,why do it? I mean isn't it just common seance not to soar these horses if you are going to be watched.If collectively they all stop then they would all be in the same advantage in the ring and not be fined.
I'm not saying this is true of everyone, it certainly isn't, however, there are a lot of people that are bought and paid for. That includes inspectors and judges. As more and more people are made aware of soring practices the pressure is on to catch the folks who are doing it. There's more personal accountablity, IMHO.

I knew a man who used to show big lick years ago. I've seen pictures of his stallion and OMG, gorgeous doesn't begin to describe him (the horse, not the guy, lol). You're old timey looking tw, just beautiful. He would talk about the special recipe of mustard paste, kerosene, chains, stewarding and things of that nature that were used to "enhance" gait. He also was very proud and protective about it, he very much believed in it and we used to get in some whoppers of arguements over it.

The reason he got out of it was the judging and unfairness of it all. He'd say that even if a horse wasn't all that great, it was pinned first before even entering the arena. Mainly due to who knew who, who trained for who, etc. So, he got away from it all.

I think old traditions die hard. People train a certain way, have been taught that for generations and don't want anything to change. There is a LOT of money surrounding Celebration and it drives people,, trainers, politicians, etc to turn a blind eye. There's also a lot of animosity amongst the natural gaited folks and the people who sore..remember a few years ago the National Guard was called in and some of the inspectors were threatened and needed protection. People were hauling out of there left and right, not even bringing their horses into the arena if one of their buddies was disqualified.

As with any controversial subject, there is hype and sensationalism on both sides. I have no dog in this fight, I just really disagree with soring. I'm not the type to fight tooth and nail with somebody over it (exception being the guy I knew and he'd bring it up since I had a tw). A good source of information is Friends of Sound Horses, or FOSH, if you're interested.

Thanks for the update...I still like to hear what's going on in that world!!
     
    08-31-2011, 02:52 PM
  #6
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Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
I know you are all anti padded walking horse and I am as well but is anyone fallowing it this year.I know it started yesterday and was wondering if you knew of any free live streams going on.Ide love to watch.I went every year as a kid and would love to watch the light shod horses because I never paid attention to them as a kid.



I don't think there are any free ones
     
    08-31-2011, 09:23 PM
  #7
Weanling
Mother just got off with her farrier friend on the inside.Mustard and kerosene seem like a walk in the park compared to what they do now.

Before they pad them up the drive a nail up in the foot and put the pads on.So just standing there they are fine and can pass inspection its when they walk they feel the pain.I guess USDA is figuring out how to inspect that since there are so many bailing this year.

My stomach dropped when she told me that.I can't even imagine doing that to an animal.
     
    08-31-2011, 09:40 PM
  #8
Yearling
DQP is one of those political things. My trainer doesn't go to breed shows anymore because of the double standard. Her horse was held in DQP for a LONG time. Of course, they found nothing. But they were trying. Then, of course, someone went in with green roller grease(from an action device) still on their horse's pasterns. They spent 5 minutes before going in.
     
    09-01-2011, 07:40 AM
  #9
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Originally Posted by Dark Horse    
I'm not saying this is true of everyone, it certainly isn't, however, there are a lot of people that are bought and paid for. That includes inspectors and judges. As more and more people are made aware of soring practices the pressure is on to catch the folks who are doing it. There's more personal accountablity, IMHO.

I knew a man who used to show big lick years ago. I've seen pictures of his stallion and OMG, gorgeous doesn't begin to describe him (the horse, not the guy, lol). You're old timey looking tw, just beautiful. He would talk about the special recipe of mustard paste, kerosene, chains, stewarding and things of that nature that were used to "enhance" gait. He also was very proud and protective about it, he very much believed in it and we used to get in some whoppers of arguements over it.

The reason he got out of it was the judging and unfairness of it all. He'd say that even if a horse wasn't all that great, it was pinned first before even entering the arena. Mainly due to who knew who, who trained for who, etc. So, he got away from it all.

I think old traditions die hard. People train a certain way, have been taught that for generations and don't want anything to change. There is a LOT of money surrounding Celebration and it drives people,, trainers, politicians, etc to turn a blind eye. There's also a lot of animosity amongst the natural gaited folks and the people who sore..remember a few years ago the National Guard was called in and some of the inspectors were threatened and needed protection. People were hauling out of there left and right, not even bringing their horses into the arena if one of their buddies was disqualified.

As with any controversial subject, there is hype and sensationalism on both sides. I have no dog in this fight, I just really disagree with soring. I'm not the type to fight tooth and nail with somebody over it (exception being the guy I knew and he'd bring it up since I had a tw). A good source of information is Friends of Sound Horses, or FOSH, if you're interested.

Thanks for the update...I still like to hear what's going on in that world!!
Very well said

vivache, lots of truth to your comment as well. A couple years ago, I overheard a "trained" DQP comment "--I know cows not horses"

If my mid-20's Arab's great-great grandsire were "Midnight Sun" instead of "Skowrownek", he would never get past the DQP based on the scar rule. He has a rope burn from being staked out, before I rescued him 18 years ago, in the exact place scar tissue would be if he had been in chains. A vet knows the difference but if you're a DQP that "knows cows not horses", that old rope scar is going to get my horse disqualified.

My mid 20-s TWH who IS a great-great grandson of Midnight Sun would also get the boot because his arthritic ankles could not stand up to all the rigorous "testing" by those highly qualified DQP's.

Nor could his hooves. He is barefoot his hooves are rock solid but all that heavy pounding the DQP's would subject him to would cause him to pull back in a heartbeat. <---this from a horse that doesn't need a halter to be trimmed or shod, back when he wore shoes.

So there is two sides to this story. I will keep saying until the end, that 99% of this would go away if they'd just get rid of the dirty judges - which would probably be most of them - and start all over again.

I don't know today's statistics, but a few years back, it was stated that the Performance Walkers are only 1% of the Walking Horse world, yet they produce 90% of the money; adding further to "money and politics prevail", and it's those people that have the influence to make an immediate difference (as opposed to the growing but slow-moving Grass Roots movements).
     
    09-01-2011, 08:04 AM
  #10
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Originally Posted by Diegosmom    
Got a call today from a lady who is a friend of my moms.Her husband is a farrier and he is out there and the celebration this year is in jeopardy of being shut down before it ends.One class 8 out of the 13 were disqualified.Another class the 2and place horse was disqualified and they are all dropping like flies going into inspections.

If you know the horse is going to be inspected,why do it? I mean isn't it just common seance not to soar these horses if you are going to be watched.If collectively they all stop then they would all be in the same advantage in the ring and not be fined.
Here's the link to the article regarding this incident. It has to be read in its entirety to completely understand all the "he said-she said", I'm afraid.

This is our county paper - the newspaper is less than a mile from the Celebration Grounds. Shelbyville Times-Gazette: Local News: Eight stallions denied; inexperienced VMO criticized (08/30/11)


Regarding "SHOW" mentioned in the above link, here's a blurp on them:
Shelbyville Times-Gazette: Features: Horse doctor has the cure (08/28/11)

Where it says in part:
Quote:
It was Bennett, along with Dr. Steve Mullins, who helped get SHOW up and running. SHOW is the Celebration's Horse Industry Organization, a self-policing entity that oversees the training and regulation of inspectors and the welfare of the breed. Once SHOW was under way, Mullins took over full time and Bennett went back to practice full time -- and his time is plenty full.


Dr. Bennett is my vet, so I am very happy he turned all this over to Dr. Mullins so my horses can have his full attention - lol lol
     

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