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  • "stretchies" used on horses legs as training devices for dressage horses
  • Leg beads for the gaited horse

 
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    12-14-2008, 07:58 AM
  #21
Zab
Yearling
Thanks! This was new to me and very interesting! (well..I know of bells on the harnesses and I know ''dancing horses'' has bells around their feet, but I've never seen this version of it. Colourful!) but bells arn't my thing :P IU don't want it to be noisy. :P

Maybe just a bracelet with pearls/beads(?)..

Do you think that about the chains even if they're put onto a much broader piece of leather? Or if the leather doesn't move around?
If it's firmly (but not too tightly of course) strapped onto the lower legs of the horse, they're not much different from regular ..what are they called? Leg protection stuff?

I know people tend to panic over non traditional stuff tho xD
     
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    12-14-2008, 08:50 AM
  #22
Zab
Yearling
Ok, I know how they'll look. Just plain leather collars with small, round metal decoration on them, I'll show when they're done:)
     
    12-14-2008, 09:08 AM
  #23
Banned
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Originally Posted by Zab    
Hiya!

I was thinking about putting some ''weightless'' leather strap losely around Crows frontlegs, like a bracelet. Both to maybe help him remembering his frontlegs more (even tho I suspect he'll just get used to it after two steps, like horses gets used to leg wraps and bandages etc) and also as a decoration (I can put some shiny metal plates on, like on bridles or something ) . Because his legs look so bare and I refuse to start bandaging them like some dressage person or put protective boots on them when he wont need it.. I wanna be special! XD
Polo wraps ( fleece type bandaging) or regular bandaging in not used to be decorative or to make the horse "know" where is legs are in dressage. Regular bandaging (the kind that stretches) can be supportive especially in a young horse just learning. Polo wraps (the more fleecy type) can provide support when put on correctly although it is more limited.

Boots on a dressage horse provides some support but the ones with a harder casing will protect the horse doing more difficult work where the possibility of hitting himself may be greater.

The only "decorative part to bandaging in dressage is the color of the leg wraps, not the use of.

Any sort of gear that you are referring to should never be thought of as "decoration to be special" and only if it will supply a needed function should it even be considered.
     
    12-14-2008, 03:55 PM
  #24
Zab
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Polo wraps ( fleece type bandaging) or regular bandaging in not used to be decorative or to make the horse "know" where is legs are in dressage. Regular bandaging (the kind that stretches) can be supportive especially in a young horse just learning. Polo wraps (the more fleecy type) can provide support when put on correctly although it is more limited.

Boots on a dressage horse provides some support but the ones with a harder casing will protect the horse doing more difficult work where the possibility of hitting himself may be greater.

The only "decorative part to bandaging in dressage is the color of the leg wraps, not the use of.

Any sort of gear that you are referring to should never be thought of as "decoration to be special" and only if it will supply a needed function should it even be considered.
I know they're not meant to be decorativek, but I still refuse to believe a silly piece of cloth can make any differense.

What's so wrong with putting bracelets on him? The only effect it might have is that he remembers his frontlegs, but my guess is that aftr two steps they won't even do that. A lot of people use boots on the horses legs ''just in case'' and a small, light weight leather bracelet can hardly affect the horse more than that, unless I blister/sore his feet which I of course will not. I put feathers in his mane sometimes too, and I want to put a breast collar on him, just for decoration, is that wrong too?

I just can't find any disadvantage of it, for me or the horse but if you can please tell me.
     
    12-14-2008, 04:41 PM
  #25
Banned
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Originally Posted by Zab    
I know they're not meant to be decorative, but I still refuse to believe a silly piece of cloth can make any differense.
I would ask gymnists especially, why bits of cloth are put in places like the wrists for support. Other athletes also puts bits of cloth in certain stragetic places where support is needed also.

So you are saying it has no purpose?

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Originally Posted by Zab    
What's so wrong with putting bracelets on him? The only effect it might have is that he remembers his frontlegs, but my guess is that aftr two steps they won't even do that. A lot of people use boots on the horses legs ''just in case'' and a small, light weight leather bracelet can hardly affect the horse more than that, unless I blister/sore his feet which I of course will not. I put feathers in his mane sometimes too, and I want to put a breast collar on him, just for decoration, is that wrong too?

I just can't find any disadvantage of it, for me or the horse but if you can please tell me.
What you do for decoration in the mane or tail is irrelevant as it does nothing to enhance or reduce the performance of the horse.

I use boots on my horse and he is probably used to them. I do not use them to ENHANCE his performance but to prevent any possible accidents. Equipment used as a preventative measure is a totally different thing than to use something to increase the level of performance and should not be compared to each other.

I personally do not go along with the artificial aids like the built up shoes,acid soring and chains used with certain breeds. I know they are part of the gaited world but I still do not have to agree with them. I try to stay out of threads like these but when false statements are made about something I have been into for over 30 years then I will speak up.
     
    12-14-2008, 04:50 PM
  #26
Showing
CHAINS-when left on a horse for long periods of time can cause lasting pain and when a horse has been sored with heavy chains at the barn for a week before a show and then shown in the accepted 6oz. Chains, he suffers intensive pain from that lighter chain hitting the same sored area over and over, not to mention the sensitivity of the area from previous Chemical soring.
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The above is a quote from Horse Hoof Soring
I think what you are wanting to do doesn't qualify but you may find the article interesting and you may want to arm yourself with the information in case someone disagrees with your bracelets or bells.
Here is a photo from http://www.californiabarbaro.com/walkerabuse.html

I want to add that this is now illegal in the USA

     
    12-14-2008, 04:57 PM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
CHAINS-when left on a horse for long periods of time can cause lasting pain and when a horse has been sored with heavy chains at the barn for a week before a show and then shown in the accepted 6oz. Chains, he suffers intensive pain from that lighter chain hitting the same sored area over and over, not to mention the sensitivity of the area from previous Chemical soring.
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The above is a quote from Horse Hoof Soring
I think what you are wanting to do doesn't qualify but you may find the article interesting and you may want to arm yourself with the information in case someone disagrees with your chains or bells.
Here is a photo from California Barbaro- Walker Abuse

I want to add that this is now illegal in the USA



That's only IF you use it for long periods of time. I use for the saddlebreds all the time but only when they are being worked out (once or maybe twice a week.
     
    12-14-2008, 05:37 PM
  #28
Zab
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyder    
I would ask gymnists especially, why bits of cloth are put in places like the wrists for support. Other athletes also puts bits of cloth in certain stragetic places where support is needed also.

So you are saying it has no purpose?

Lets leave this discussion as it's off topic.

What you do for decoration in the mane or tail is irrelevant as it does nothing to enhance or reduce the performance of the horse.

I use boots on my horse and he is probably used to them. I do not use them to ENHANCE his performance but to prevent any possible accidents. Equipment used as a preventative measure is a totally different thing than to use something to increase the level of performance and should not be compared to each other.

I personally do not go along with the artificial aids like the built up shoes,acid soring and chains used with certain breeds. I know they are part of the gaited world but I still do not have to agree with them. I try to stay out of threads like these but when false statements are made about something I have been into for over 30 years then I will speak up.
Then tell me how these light weight leather bracelets will affect his performance? Without soring or anything. How come they're worse than a polowrap on a horse that doesn't need polowraps?

I AM NOT going to sore his feet, put weird shoes on, train him with some strange hobbles like I've seen on youtbe or use any other mechanical aid..
I'm concidering to put light weight/no extra weight, smooth leather straps around the hooves for decoration and maybe to remind him a bit of his frontlegs - but I doubt they'll even have that effect once he's walked two steps.
Just like my watch doesn't affect the movements on my wrist, and polowraps won't affect the moves on a horse...

He's not used for show, only trail riding, but I want his rack as clean as possible, and I enjoy working WITH him - to get him more balanced and to become a better rider myself. I feel that the bracelets can't harm him and there is a very slight possibility they'l help him by reminding him of his front hooves.
     
    12-14-2008, 05:40 PM
  #29
Zab
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
CHAINS-when left on a horse for long periods of time can cause lasting pain and when a horse has been sored with heavy chains at the barn for a week before a show and then shown in the accepted 6oz. Chains, he suffers intensive pain from that lighter chain hitting the same sored area over and over, not to mention the sensitivity of the area from previous Chemical soring.
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The above is a quote from Horse Hoof Soring
I think what you are wanting to do doesn't qualify but you may find the article interesting and you may want to arm yourself with the information in case someone disagrees with your bracelets or bells.
Here is a photo from California Barbaro- Walker Abuse

I want to add that this is now illegal in the USA

This is way far from what I'm even concidering! :O
I'm just talking about a small, not heavy leather bracelet, that would go on when riding or maybe when taking photoshots. Nothing else!

Thank you for the info tho, I like to know as much as possible. :)
     
    12-14-2008, 06:16 PM
  #30
Weanling
As far as saddleseat aids go, there is a difference between the abuser and the correct user. I have never witnessed nor endorsed soring, and it seems like everytime (on most forums I frequent) anything saddleseat is mentioned, people jump in with soring and how inhumane and abusive the riders and trainers are.

I ride morgans and have two. I'm not sure what you meant by "strange hobbles" but I have used surgical tubing on my filly for breif intervals of 5-10 minutes, I actually haven't done in almost a year, I just wanted to see what kind of motion she would give me. I put it on my 25 year old gelding who has never had the desire to move his legs any higher than a western jog would allow, just to see the difference... He didn't do anything, I lunged him and he trotted normally, he pulled against the pressure outward instead of upward, like intended. My filly pulls against the pressure upward and brings her knees up.

I've always preached, that you can't make a horse do something their not physically talented enough to do.. and even then they have to want to do it. Soring is a whole other case, I have never seen it.. All of the horses I've seen that compete saddleseat are happy and friendly, I actually got to visit one of my favorite stallions two years ago, who is a national champion and produced national champions, and he was one of the sweetest horses!

I know a lot of this seems irrelevant, but I hate the negative prejudice saddle breeds get. There is nothing wrong with any of the aids I use when training. I use chains, even the weighted ones feel nothing other than loose bracelets to the horses wearing one. (Horses weigh upwards of 1,000lbs. The chains are less than a lb, you do the math.. It'd be the equivalent of a person wearing a bracelet that weighed an ounce) I use chains, rollers, leather straps, weighted bell boots, and stretchies. The weighted bell boots help the horse get used to the weight that would be added by the shoes, and they also pull against the weight. The purpose of the chains has been stated, and I just mentioned the stretchies.

Another note on the stretchies, its purpose is to build muscle, and some saddleseat farms don't believe in them, but it would be no different for you to do resistance training at the gym to your arms. Would you have done that 1000 years ago? Probably not, but its for the sake of competition, and I'd feel much more comfortable on a horse that has built up muscle using the stretchies.. You are more likely to pull a shoe or muscle when you go into a high energy atmosphere, where the horse will naturally push themselves farther because of how excited they are to show (yes these horses do get excited before going into the arena).. If you can prepare their muscles and strengthen them, you are putting them in the best position to send them into the show ring without getting hurt.

You wouldn't run a marathon without training first (and not just running/cardiovascular work).

Also, another note. There are abuses in every discipline, yet when someone asks about such and such a curb bit for western riding, no one responds with all of the abuses in western riding. When someone asks about such and such Dressage movement, no one responds with all the abuses in Dressage (rolkur to name one).. etc. etc. Every discipline has its abusive trainers and participants, yet it seems like saddleseat takes a bad rep constantly, yet I, personally, have never seen the abuse practiced. I have never seen soring or any other abusive technique, I have never seen a single unhappy saddleseat horse, the vets find our horses to be some of the happiest and healthiest horses.

I find it a little bit ignorant that everytime someone mentions saddleseat or a method associated with it, someone has to bring up something negative about it. Its a beautiful discipline, and it takes a special kind of horse to compete in it. You cannot force a horse to possess talent, its something that's bred into them. The idea of saddleseat is something that has been going for years, way back in the plantation days.

I wish people would see it for what it was, instead of relying on certain people's misjudgments or poor experiences within the industry.
     

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