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    04-26-2012, 05:57 PM
Here it is! :)

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    04-26-2012, 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Wallee    
Hobbles are not abusive, Just cause you do not agree with them doesnt make them abusive. :P and people thinking everything about walkers is abusive is just plain iggnorance. They are treated well and some arent same as every other breed and dicipline. Agree?
I just don't see the point in limiting and restraining a horses movement- If one has a horse they should let it be a horse, not break it down till it can't move. And Im not igorant- I have the utmost knowledge on training aids. And owning Walkers- I know of their history as well.
    04-27-2012, 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by KissTheRing    
I just don't see the point in limiting and restraining a horses movement- If one has a horse they should let it be a horse, not break it down till it can't move. And Im not igorant- I have the utmost knowledge on training aids. And owning Walkers- I know of their history as well.

Hobbles have their uses. Come in handy if you ever camp and need to limit the movement of your horse so he doesnt run off in the mountains. I am not saying you were showing iggnorance I just am trying to stress that not all walkers are treated wrong at all.
    04-27-2012, 01:36 AM
Arrow that is a very enlightening video as well. I am not a fan of big lick at all. I love flat shod! I love the natural movement of a TWH!
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    04-27-2012, 01:42 AM
Well, I am a member of FOSH; Friend of Sound Horses, so my opinion will be.... chains and soring are terribly cruel, and should be outlawed as animal abuse.

In the gaited horse shows that allow the weighted shoes (i.e. Celebration), the horses struggle to walk. NOTHING is even close to natural. The tendons of the horses are strained, their backs are at an angle. The riders are perched atop these poor horses like ghouls. I have seen legs that have been chemically burned from the mustard wraps that are sometimes used. And the chains can rub the legs raw. Anyone who says it isn't cruel must have their eyes closed, or simply don't care.

A naturally gaited horse (or any horse for that matter) is a beautiful animal when allowed to use the gait that is normal for him. Yes; you can train a horse to move differently, but when you need to use mechanical devices, it inflicts pain, and should be outlawed, in my opinion.
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    04-27-2012, 11:22 AM
Originally Posted by nucks93    
Hey everyone, I want to first off say that I have never ridden or owned a gaited horse, but I have seen a lot of footage about people soring, shoeing with stacked pads, etc to the Big Licks. I was just wondering how chains around the horses legs is abusive, and what exactly they do. Thanks guys!
Abusive? "Action devices" that are legal under the HPA are probably not "abusive" when used alone. If used with soring chemicals the answer changes.

They work by irritating the the coronary band, causing the horse to "flinch" and raise its foot higher.

While not abusive, they are the sign of an incompetant trainer. They are an "anti-training" device. When you apply pressure with, say a bit, when you get the response you desire you release the pressure. You repeat this process. Over time you can form a positive habit in the horse.

Put another way, you can turn "on" the pressure to get what you want and turn it "off" when you get it.

The "action device" is always "on." If the horse performs well it's "on." If the horse performs poorly it's "on." Every time the horse moves it's "on." Remove the chain and the movement you want quickly goes away. So it's not really a "training device" it's the "shortcut" of the "shortcut artist."

This opinion generally wrankes the Devil out of some folks, but that's the Physics and Equine Bio-Mechanics of the process.

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    04-28-2012, 11:53 AM
Green Broke
I finally got time to watch the video.

I grew up as a young child going to several walking horse shows a year, the Spring Jubilee in Columbia TN, the Lewisburg show, and of course, the celebration in Shelbyville.

I remember Ebony's Senator winning in 1969.

As a kid, my neighbor down the street showed in the amateur class.

I never saw anything related to soring.

Many of my current horse riding friends who have shown, tell me it does happen.

I love my walking mare, keep her barefooted, ride her in boots, and wouldn't think of doing anything to harm her.

I've got mixed emotions over all of this. I hope the industry catches the cheaters and abusers, and that the tradition can continue for many more generations.
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    05-04-2012, 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Wallee    
What A Horse excerpt - episode 911 - 03-12-2012 - YouTube

CHeck this out, not all walkers are treated bad. This guy here is treated with the upmost respect!
OMG! ARE YOU SERIOUS <3 My dad use to work with Sheryl Crawford and all of them <3 I showed her horses for her. I saw that picture and knew the horse immediatly.. O the good days. Before she went broke.
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    05-05-2012, 01:10 AM
I think most would agree that ANY piece of equipment (bits, tack, hobbles) can be abusive if not used properly. And, likewise, many people who are into "Big Lick" do inflict pain.

I am sure the people who own this horse in the video love him, and do not mean to cause him any harm. Yet, I do know of farriers who will NOT put the weighted shoes on horses. Even if the application itself isn't painful, the outcome is (in their opinion) bad for the tendons, and causes much damage over time to the horse because of the strain it puts on their front legs and backs. You can see it in their movement.

So over the top un-natural. When this horse was moving in his paddock, he was indeed beautiful. It seems like such a ridiculous thing to do; change movement to what humans think "look good", by putting weights on the front feet.

But where there is money to be made..... well.... you know how that goes.
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    05-05-2012, 08:50 AM
Green Broke
Something wrong with making money?

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