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    09-21-2010, 08:01 PM
  #41
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
Since I have been on here for some time and just didn't come on with a 1st post I didn't think I should have to state who I am as no one else does.
My name is Laurie Renda and I live in Cedar Rapids IA and if you would like my phone number send me a private email.
P.s. She did respond but if you want to send her a link be my guest.
     
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    09-21-2010, 09:09 PM
  #42
Weanling
My recommendation, not that it matters what some anonymous person on the internet things but I'll say it anyway, would be to stop talking about it.

First, you admitted that you have no idea if she rode or not. All you know is that she didn't ride on the day you picked up the horse. You don't know what she did the previous months.
A couple posts above you state that she should have sent the horse home when she couldn't do what was expected - yet you clearly don't KNOW if she was doing what was expected or not. What if she was riding the horse just fine for 4 months? All kinds of things can make a horse act different for you - new rider, new place, new tack - all things that confuse youngsters*.
And you can't compare what another trainer does with another horse, as all people and horses are different, with different methods, different personalities, etc.
Unless you had something in writing (or even verbal would help) stating that she would do X, and you know for a fact that she did not do X, you don't have much of a claim.

Second, any lawyer would advise you that once you receive a threat of legal action, you shut up about the situation publicly. It's a classic case of whatever you say CAN come back and hurt you.

I don't get the extortion/blackmail thing, but whatever.


*For example - one of the boarders at my barn just brought a horse home from training. She fortunately DID see her trainer ride, which is a good thing, because so far every time she's swung her leg over the saddle, she's immediately gotten bucked off. The trainer still did his job - he put 30 days under saddle on the horse - there are just more issues that need to be worked through which require further training
     
    09-23-2010, 09:15 PM
  #43
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I have filed a report on www.ripoffreport.com
     
    09-23-2010, 09:22 PM
  #44
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Shenandoah    
My recommendation, not that it matters what some anonymous person on the internet things but I'll say it anyway, would be to stop talking about it.

First, you admitted that you have no idea if she rode or not. All you know is that she didn't ride on the day you picked up the horse. You don't know what she did the previous months.
A couple posts above you state that she should have sent the horse home when she couldn't do what was expected - yet you clearly don't KNOW if she was doing what was expected or not. What if she was riding the horse just fine for 4 months? All kinds of things can make a horse act different for you - new rider, new place, new tack - all things that confuse youngsters*.
And you can't compare what another trainer does with another horse, as all people and horses are different, with different methods, different personalities, etc.
Unless you had something in writing (or even verbal would help) stating that she would do X, and you know for a fact that she did not do X, you don't have much of a claim.

Second, any lawyer would advise you that once you receive a threat of legal action, you shut up about the situation publicly. It's a classic case of whatever you say CAN come back and hurt you.

I don't get the extortion/blackmail thing, but whatever.
I am not concerned with speaking the truth so I am not worried about it coming back to hurt me. I believe in doing what is right not laying down and taking it in the a**
If she was riding the horse fine for 4 months then it should have been rideable that day and when I took it home which it was not. I went back through my emails and there no updates on training good or bad were sent to me. There was no new tack, new rider, new place or new anything. If the horse had been ridin regularly then minimal commotion shouldn't be an issue. Any place else I have been treats each day like it is a regular day and not ***** foot around a horse.
     
    09-23-2010, 10:50 PM
  #45
Weanling
I think the lesson here is; communication between owner and trainer is very important. It seems from the beginning there has been a lack of communicating on one or both sides. The trainer should have been updating you on progress if not weekly then monthly and you should have been seeking out updates/personally visiting. I understand you were a good distance away, but when you're investing this kind of money you should check up on it once in a while. The final day is puzzling... it could simply have been bad timing, but I've rarely met a trainer who doesn't show the horse to the client or have them ride before the horse leaves. It's frustrating that she didn't respond all this time till you flexed your muscles, and her knee jerk reaction is... confusing. If you have been bashing her (even though it's true) it's technically slander as you are messing with her reputation. Anyone has access to this forum and you have been talking locally. I think it's time to sit back and let this cool off. See what happens. At least you have found a trainer in the mean time who can help you.
     
    09-24-2010, 08:09 PM
  #46
Started
Lesson #2 is: If you want to vent about bad service, don't name names unless you think the potential legal action is worth it.
     
    10-18-2010, 11:23 PM
  #47
Foal
Angry NOT the way I remember it!

My name is Jane and a friend of mind shared this thread with me since she knows I have been using Liz Graves as a trainer for a number of years now. Wow!! I just had to respond to this thread because I remember this horse very well, though I never actually met his owner even though my horse was there the whole time her horse was. I do not believe that what has been posted here is the truth in this matter. Since my horse was in training both times Michael was in training with Liz, I felt compelled to tell what I know of the time he was there. Many of us knew this horse and his situation; he was a very troubled horse who came with a lot of baggage.
The first time I saw this horse was the winter of 2007. He came in for 30 days to help him be, well, more like a horse! When Michael arrived he was afraid of everything: afraid to walk on a wet spot, sounds, visuals, a sunbeam on the ground, white snow verses dirty snow and back again, he was afraid of himself and other horses. He was also very head shy; and everyone wondered what had happened to this horse to make him so fearful of everything. Liz often has people at her ranch apprenticing with her, so I was not the only one who saw Michael there at that time.
I was there when a couple of phone calls with Michaels owner were going on and Liz was trying to find out what had happened to this horse to create his fears, she had no help from the owner in getting any information much to her frustration. Of course this isnít uncommon, in the years Iíve had my horse at her place Iíve seen it happen before.
Michael was a pretty horse but was not mature enough physically to be ridden, he was long, narrow, fine boned and no muscle development. Liz did 30 days of ground work to teach basics and help him overcome his fears. I remember one afternoon she put every saddle pad and blanket on the ground in her arena and helped him to walk on them. That was a red letter day for Liz and she told me it felt so good to see him progress to that. I had been interested in Michael as he was so different from any horse Iíd ever worked with, he had NO curiosity! It seemed like his curiosity had been replaced with fear, so I always asked how Michael was doing when I came to visit my horse. After 30 days he was sent home to wait to start his riding work later, giving him time to mature. In my opinion he left a much more whole horse than when he came.
Now everyone that takes a horse to Liz for training has to sign a contract and present a Coggins and fill out a general health certificate and information form. One of the things on Lizís form says when you bring a horse in you are making a commitment to come and work with her and your horse. This is also stated on her web site (although in the years that Iíve worked with her owners not showing up is commonplace. And, of course, everyone has their ďgoodĒ excuses!)
I work a job and own a ranch where we have several head of horses, all needing daily attention. I have a family and yet I was there almost every weekend, to work with my horse (even though he was not being ridden yet). As I mentioned, I never heard that Michaelís owner ever came to do this or even to visit him. Some days when I drove down all I did was go into my horses stall and brush him and tell him I missed him as it was really too cold to work. And I know if Liz missed a day working with him, she always added it on to the time he was there, so I ended up getting several ďfreeĒ days after my 60 days were up as there had been days too cold to work him. Now, I live 2 hours from Liz, I checked and Michaelís owner lives not 4 hours, but 2 and ĺ hours (not pulling a trailer) from Liz and Iím driving from the north, where as she would drive from the south.
I have had my horse in training with Liz off and on for over 3 years, and I know that fees are paid one month at a time, and never whole amounts up front. Michaelís fee was the same that as I was paying which was $600.00 a month.
Michael came back the next winter for 2 months. I know this as my horse was there again for continued training. This was 2007-2008 not 2009. My horse was there until the end of March. This also does not equal 4 months but 3 months in 2 separate training visits. Again Michaelís owner never once came to see her horse nor work with him and Liz. The fees were the same that year too, so how can she say she paid 2600.00 dollars when she paid 1800.00 in training fees?
Iím sure Liz has receipts and records, plus phone calls and e-mail correspondence to confirm this, sheís a very organized lady!
I know Liz was in touch with Michaelís owner often (I was present for some of these calls) and I would ask about him when I came, concerned for him and where he was at, as he was still a very fearful horse but he did get his saddling, riding and training done plus more of his fear issues worked. He was still a troubled horse and I remember Liz telling the owner on the phone that there was no room for errors with Michael and would still take several years for him to overcome all his fears with the right continued work. Liz also had a trainer with a mounted police department there then doing a trainerís internship and she rode and worked with Michael as well.
I was there the day Michaelís owner picked him up as I had been asked to come at noon for my appointment instead of my usual morning time because Liz had blocked the entire morning off for Michaelís owner to come and work with him and Liz. She wanted to show her how he was used to being worked (I think I mentioned she hadnít been there once in the two months heíd been there to work with him). Michaelís owner showed up late, on my time, and was there when I got there. Why didnít Liz ride the horse? Sheíd been waiting ALL morning to show the owner how the horse rode, but now the time was up. I have schedules, Liz has schedules. Wonder why? So people can PLAN things. Liz wasnít able to give the time to Michaelís owner, sheíd waited all morning to do that! I wonder if Liz knew this was going to happen as this has been the case with other owners. Even though they make the commitment to work with the horse they donít show up. Maybe the donít really want Liz to see how they are going to interact with their horse. I donít know, it only makes sense to me to work with your trainer and learn the ďlanguageĒ they are teaching your horse!
I later asked Liz about Michael and learned of 2 things the owner did to Michael the first week he went home that probably undid most of what Liz and the other trainer had worked so hard on. I was there when the e-mail came in. It really upset Liz and the other trainer, after what Liz had told her about being very careful with Michael when he got home, and then here comes the owner asking for help over what she had done. (and I'd bet Liz still has the email on this as well as raves of how good Michael was when he got home)
I also know Liz has only done 1 clinic in Texas and that was 2009 because it was an event that was her first clinic in the same state her Mother lives in.
I have worked with Liz for over 4 years now, and her integrity as a horse trainer AND a person never fails to amaze me. I have seen her work many, many horses and she ALWAYS has the horseís best interest at heart. Perhaps this is why she is seen as a threat to some?
I do have to say, nothing adds up here, I was there at that time, and the situation described is very different from the situation I observed. Perhaps rather than continue to bash Liz, you should ask her yourself. Her email is on her web site www.lizgraves.org .
     
    10-19-2010, 08:41 PM
  #48
Green Broke
I have tried several times to reply to your post and it won't let me. Maybe because it's a novel?
     
    10-19-2010, 08:53 PM
  #49
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by zenjane    
I do not believe that what has been posted here is the truth in this matter. Since my horse was in training both times Michael was in training with Liz, I felt compelled to tell what I know of the time he was there. Many of us knew this horse and his situation; he was a very troubled horse who came with a lot of baggage. What baggage he had general handling and nothing tramatic ever happened to him.

He came in for 30 days to help him be, well, more like a horse! When Michael arrived he was afraid of everything: afraid to walk on a wet spot, sounds, visuals, a sunbeam on the ground, white snow verses dirty snow and back again, he was afraid of himself and other horses. He was a scaredy cat. He was also very head shy; and everyone wondered what had happened to this horse to make him so fearful of everything. He was never head shy and then he got a fungus in his ears and wouldn't let you touch them after that and this was explained to Liz.
I was there when a couple of phone calls with Michaels owner were going on and Liz was trying to find out what had happened to this horse to create his fears, she had no help from the owner in getting any information much to her frustration. I gave her all the information. The horse had minimal handling other than brushing, leading, trailer loading, farrier work. He had just been out with his mom and no other horses there was nothing else to tell
Michael was a pretty horse but was not mature enough physically to be ridden, he was long, narrow, fine boned and no muscle development. He is a tennessee walker and that is what they look like. He was 4 and they are usually started at 2 but I didn't want to rush him and let him grow. I remember one afternoon she put every saddle pad and blanket on the ground in her arena and helped him to walk on them. That was a red letter day for Liz and she told me it felt so good to see him progress to that. I had been interested in Michael as he was so different from any horse Iíd ever worked with, he had NO curiosity! It seemed like his curiosity had been replaced with fear, so I always asked how Michael was doing when I came to visit my horse. After 30 days he was sent home to wait to start his riding work later, giving him time to mature. In my opinion he left a much more whole horse than when he came.He came home at my request not Liz'. She never said a thing until I suggested bringing him back the next yr.
one of the things on Lizís form says when you bring a horse in you are making a commitment to come and work with her and your horse. I have the contract and it says nothing about coming while the horse is there.
I have a family and yet I was there almost every weekend, to work with my horse (even though he was not being ridden yet). As I mentioned, I never heard that Michaelís owner ever came to do this or even to visit him. On his second time there I asked about coming up to see his progress I was told he was not ready for me and the next time she was out of the country.And I know if Liz missed a day working with him, she always added it on to the time he was there, so I ended up getting several ďfreeĒ days after my 60 days were up as there had been days too cold to work him. I was not given any make up days except when she was out of the country. When I came to pick him up she laughed at how when it was so cold the bit had frozen in the corners of his mouth so she couldn't work him but nothing mentioned about make up or credit. I did not think it was funny. Now, I live 2 hours from Liz, I checked and Michaelís owner lives not 4 hours, but 2 and ĺ hours (not pulling a trailer) from Liz and Iím driving from the north, where as she would drive from the south. You are correct on the distance. Just because you can make the trip does not mean I could and if I was needed there I would have been there.
I have had my horse in training with Liz off and on for over 3 years, and I know that fees are paid one month at a time, and never whole amounts up front. Michaelís fee was the same that as I was paying which was $600.00 a month. Yes it was 600.00 I was thinking it was 650.00 I am curious to why you would have your horse there for so long? Does she take that long with every one?
Michael came back the next winter for 2 months. I know this as my horse was there again for continued training. This was 2007-2008 not 2009. My horse was there until the end of March. By my recolection my dates are correct unless I forgot a yr.so how can she say she paid 2600.00 dollars when she paid 1800.00 in training fees? 2400.00 by my account
Iím sure Liz has receipts and records, plus phone calls and e-mail correspondence to confirm this, sheís a very organized lady!
I know Liz was in touch with Michaelís owner often (I was present for some of these calls) Where was I because the only call was about his history and when he walked on a blanket other than when she returned my calls about coming to get him.
I remember Liz telling the owner on the phone that there was no room for errors with Michael and would still take several years for him to overcome all his fears with the right continued work. This is totally incorrect, if that were the case she should have put it in an email and writing to have a record. I am not sure where you are getting this info. Seems strange she called me so many times and you were always there???Liz also had a trainer with a mounted police department there then doing a trainerís internship and she rode and worked with Michael as well. If she had been riding him where are the updates, emails and pictures of this and why would she not ride him when I came to get him?
I was there the day Michaelís owner picked him up as I had been asked to come at noon for my appointment instead of my usual morning time because Liz had blocked the entire morning off for Michaelís owner to come and work with him and Liz. I had a 3 hour drive in cold icy conditions I would no way be there early.She wanted to show her how he was used to being worked (I think I mentioned she hadnít been there once in the two months heíd been there to work with him). Michaelís owner showed up late, on my time, and was there when I got there. Why didnít Liz ride the horse? Sheíd been waiting ALL morning to show the owner how the horse rode, but now the time was up. I have schedules, Liz has schedules. Wonder why? So people can PLAN things. Liz wasnít able to give the time to Michaelís owner, sheíd waited all morning to do that! I wonder if Liz knew this was going to happen as this has been the case with other owners. This again is totally false. I was not given a time to be there. I could come either Sat or Sunday and Liz said either day was fine and time was not mentioned. It was icey and cold so I wasited for the roads to clear up and got there around 11 which is not unreasonable with a 3 hr drive, you had a shorter drive you could have gotten there earlier.
I later asked Liz about Michael and learned of 2 things the owner did to Michael the first week he went home that probably undid most of what Liz and the other trainer had worked so hard on. Would you like to share this since it was bitter cold and he just got put out until spring. Sounds like you are making things up. I was there when the e-mail came in. It really upset Liz and the other trainer, after what Liz had told her about being very careful with Michael when he got home, and then here comes the owner asking for help over what she had done. Seems like these are things that should be in writing in an email so there is a record of how careful I should be. You need to be specific because nothing happened and I did not ask Liz for help on anything.(and I'd bet Liz still has the email on this as well as raves of how good Michael was when he got home)There was no such email and you have made up several things.
I do have to say, nothing adds up here, I was there at that time, and the situation described is very different from the situation I observed. Perhaps rather than continue to bash Liz, you should ask her yourself. Her email is on her web site www.lizgraves.org .

sure would like to see these emails to back up your statements since you know more about my horse than I do
     
    09-26-2013, 03:50 PM
  #50
Foal
I sent a draft mare for training and when I got her back she was no different. Of course, it was "the horse's fault". Come to find out she was so busy training and showing her own horses that mine got little attention or training.
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