gaiting help please

Yes, Zab, you must have good balance in every saddle.

I'm pointing out that it is 100% crucial to have fairly-good balance before riding in treeless saddle because they tend to slip a bit more than normal saddles if you are ever off balance. Either that or keep your girth on snug. There is not as much room for error like you can in a saddle.

Like a bareback pad. You may have good balance but they will most likely slip around anyway.

But if you read my reply, more than what you quoted, you'd see that that is not true.
You need a GOOD treeless saddle, preferably one with real panels under it, and that fits. It won't slide more than any other saddle.

If you ride a bad treeless saddle, as I actually concider most of them, they'll slip easily. And won't even out the pressure.

I know this pretty well, I shattered my wrist on my first attempt with a treeless saddle, it was a bad one and it slipped, and I have been very careful abourt saddles ever since. The espaniola I have now (there's pictures in my ''barn'') is as safe as any saddle. It doesn't slip even when I forget the girth and the horse spooks. And I have definetly a bad balance.
Don't argue with me on this point, unless you have tried different types of treeless yourself.

What?


Apparently I must have ridden in a 'bad' saddle.

I edited that to ''unless you've tried differnt types yourself''.

Yes, you probably have if that's your impression of them. Did it have panels under it or did it need a special pad for preassure? What name/brand was it?
If it was the better model, did it fit the horse properly?

I've slipped around in tree-saddles as well but I can't judge all tree saddles from that.

Oh boy... It's been a year, Can't possibly remember.

And I wasn't argueing. Sharing my bad experiences.

I found it very argueing-ish.
You've tried one saddle and keep going on about how bad it is with treeless saddles since they slip even after I've written down about different types and the importance on getting a good, solid treeless that fits just because the bad ones are unsafe.

Anyway, this isn't the place for such discussion and it's 4am, I'm off to bed. Good night :)

^ Someone's cranky.

I quite once you told me the whole 'good saddle' speech.

From what I've heard, it was a good brand.

Whatever that means for them.

I dislike all cussion-treeless saddles. A saddle should look and feel like a saddle, noot like a cushion. Cushions don't distribute weight and they're not stable enough to keep steady. And usually give a bad seat.
Lots of ''good'' and expencive treeless are still like cushions. :)

Most people trying my saddle won't believe me at first when I say it's treeless, they think of treeless as cushionsaddles... :3

Gah, why can't I stop..this isn't a thread about treeless saddles..sorry

lol thanks for the input im going to do some research on more treeless saddles including the one you have. Im not sure what I should do at this point though. If i need to "retrain" him to gait under saddle should I be forgiving on the choppy gait as long it is some sort of gait? Im worried if i allow it now he is going to think the half trot half gait (as i call it) is ok and I dont want him to think that...

Can you get any steps at all in proper gait?
When I ride Crow, I can get a neat gait from where he's warmed up, untill just before he get tred. Other than those times I try not to gait :)

I'd say; get the good steps you can, three good steps are better than 3 good steps and 30 bad ones. Collect him and work with him in walk, prepare for the gait to be goodand if he picks the wrong one, hold him back and try again. :)