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post #1 of 11 Old 06-03-2013, 08:40 AM Thread Starter
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gary lane and what I learned.

Did my first clinic and really first time ever with an actual trainer. Learned I wasnt near as jacked up as I assumed I was, only seat issues was a result of too short leathers on my new saddle which I already knew and new stirrups on th eway. Anywho.
Biggest thing I learned was Beuregard has a runwalk I can hold him in . He also as a decent foxtrot. Reason I never knew. his gears are walk, run walk, foxtrot, rack , canter.
Any time hed ever got into a fox trot, I though it was bad and would heal him past it into a rack. Might have to learn to ride it, as the rack is showey but inefficient for covering ground. will give me a bit more speed than his runwalk which is there but not very fast. Compared to Emma, my other walker. She has walk, runwalk and canter.
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post #2 of 11 Old 06-03-2013, 09:23 AM
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"as the rack is showey but inefficient for covering ground"

Whoa, what gave you this notion? The pleasure rack of a natural racker, consumes less energy than any gait, except the flat walk. The only racks that consumes very high energy is the Fino and the Largo, and with some horses the Corto, and of course the, built up, show racking horses.

This is one of the major reasons why we ride racking horses. We'll slow rack(8 to 12 mph) for miles without stopping. Never could do that with the TWH, or the Foxtroters, and never do it with troting horses.

The foxtrot and running walk varies dramatically from horse to horse. Some horses perform them with relative ease, and for others it is a huge energy consumer. It all depends on whether they are conformed to do the gait they are being ask to perform. All too many folks, will force a gait, whether they are conformed for this gait or not. Just because a TWH is supposed to do a running walk, doesn't mean it is conformed for the gait, ditto, foxtrot, and all other gaits of gaited horses.

If your horse is performing "His gears are walk, run walk, foxtrot, rack , canter" some of them are forced and/or trained, whether intentional or not. It is impossible for a horse to be conformed to naturally perform all of these gaits. Just like I've seen arabs do the spanish fiesta. They sure are not conformed for this gait. It had to be trained.

A word of caution. I'd sure find out what gaits your horse is conformed to perform, and use only those. Otherwise, the extended use of gaits outside their naturally conformed gaits, can lead to major health issues.


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post #3 of 11 Old 06-03-2013, 09:28 AM Thread Starter
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I got that notion from gps measured speed over distance heart rate, and body temp data.
Bo burns more energy, heats up, higher pulse at a rack, than he does alternating walk/ canter. for same time/ distance.
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post #4 of 11 Old 06-03-2013, 11:42 AM
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You have the gadgets Joe. Try experimenting a little. My old STB was able to hold a rack for miles until she hit advanced old age. I didn't have all those little meters to check had to do it the old fashioned way. Could be your just asking him to use a muscle set he isn't used to using.

My old Chris had a lot of gears in low and hi form that few would have expected from a race horse that flunked track 101. Of course my only aim was a comfy trail ride for us both so I rarely shifted into high gear. Mileage is going to vary.
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being able to do soemthing for miles and the horse didnt die, doesnt mean it was effecient or the best gait for that horse. If you dont have actual data then you dont know. Any way point of post wasnt meant to argue what I already know. its about some of the new things I learned about my horse having a pro watch us and give feedback.
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The corto, largo and fino are Paso fino gaits and are not racking.
I suggest that bbsmfgs do more research.
A rack is a vento flexed gait which is why you always see them with their heads up. That is harder on the horse than a gait done with a level or rounded back. Check out the gaits with one of the recognized gait authorities like Liz Graves, Brenda Imus, Larry Whitsell, etc. They have nice write-ups about the different gaits and how the horse does them.
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post #7 of 11 Old 06-05-2013, 12:53 PM
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Well said G8tdh0rse.

Joe, its so cool to see what a success horses and tech can be when combined! How do the readings on the foxtrot vary from the rack?

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pretty much what gary pointed out. Rack is fine and looks cool if thats what you like, but you need a long time of head down walking to build up the back so it can do a head up rack without hollowing out the back. The rack takes more strength and conditioning to pull off well. He was willing to help me with anything I wanted. As his philosophy is to do whats fun and what you enjoy. Its supposed ot be fun. Sense Bo will no longer be an endurance mount primarlityu I want learn to hold him at his 2nd gear runwalk.
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Maybe it depends on the type of rack?

A show rack, like any show gait, is designed to be attractive to the crowd and to put bums in seats. It's an "entertainment." So converting calories into vertical motion would be a Good Thing.

A pleasure rack is more designed to move the rider comfortably on the horse. Efficiency of movement should be the standard. Converting calories into yards covered is a Good Thing.

As my test from Dr. Bennett demonstrates, a lateral gait is more energy intensive than a diagonal gait. The trot is much more efficient for long term movement. The Army knew this then they fielded the Horse Cavalry and never, as in NEVER, used "gaited" horses. The Army prized efficiency of movement. The road trot of the Army remount was 9 mph.

If the rider wants to optimally convert calories into yards covered they want a gait that tends from the center to the trot. This may not be the only value, however, and other factors might favor the rack.

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"The corto, largo and fino are Paso fino gaits and are not racking"

They are all the same foot fall. Same gait. Check videos, if you don't believe it. Some with more animation than others, but all the same gait.

I have already done the research. Where do you think the racking horses got their gait? Originated from the Paso. Ditto, the single footers are also racking, same gait.

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