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        11-09-2013, 09:15 PM
      #21
    Foal
    USDF and FEI are completely in the wrong on this one and it came out when a few years ago they looked at gaited horses. To me it comes down to elitism, those who do "Dressage" (and yes it is splitting hairs and comes across really badly and down right snobby) frown upon those who do not use big Warmblood horses. ANY horse benefits from dressage training and every rider should have basic dressage training to ride with suppleness, softness, and proper engagement.

    There are reams of material showing what proper gaits are, what they look like, and how they should be performed, so for the USDF and FEI to say there is no consensus on gait is just flat our wrong.

    We NEED more riders wanting to do dressage, even if they just stay at training or lower levels. Those who want to go on and do more intricate moves than bless them, but that doesn't mean that those who stay in lower levels, or on "non Warmbloods" should be excluded either. To me this speaks more on the terrible attitudes at USDF and FEI than anything else.

    We should encourage people to go into dressage to learn proper riding and training of horses. Showing at dressage is just that, you showing how much training and communication you have with your horse and should never be used to divide people.
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        11-09-2013, 11:20 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    First of all the on the topic of the whole capitalization thing.... I can say Horses or horses and it doesn't change the fact that it's horses. Dressage is dressage, training is Training no matter how you want to say it or write it down.

    Secondly the USDF, and FEI need to get over themselves. Imo them (and others) have gotten too into stereo types and are too preoccupied with what you're riding then how good you actually are. (This is a main component for me not showing.) Good riding is good riding regardless of breed, tack, or gait; and if done in a dressage setting then it should be considered dressage.

    Couldn't have said it better Idrivetrotters.
         
        11-10-2013, 08:18 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    To those of you who don't like the USDF/FEI stand then I suggest you join and then lobby for your point of view.

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        11-10-2013, 10:18 AM
      #24
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Incitatus32    
    First of all the on the topic of the whole capitalization thing.... I can say Horses or horses and it doesn't change the fact that it's horses. Dressage is dressage, training is Training no matter how you want to say it or write it down.

    Secondly the USDF, and FEI need to get over themselves. Imo them (and others) have gotten too into stereo types and are too preoccupied with what you're riding then how good you actually are. (This is a main component for me not showing.) Good riding is good riding regardless of breed, tack, or gait; and if done in a dressage setting then it should be considered dressage.

    Couldn't have said it better Idrivetrotters.
    The word "Dressage" is supposed to mean training of the horse and rider. Gaited people and mule people, and Western riders , etc in the past few years have have finally come to believe that Dressage is good for anyone and any horse. Training, first, second levels, etc. are the same for anyone learning Dressage whether you have a $500 horse or a million dollar horse , no matter what breed, the only difference I see is what horses are capable of continuing rising to higher levels and the rider's goals.
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        11-10-2013, 10:50 AM
      #25
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Idrivetrotters    
    ...every rider should have basic dressage training to ride with suppleness, softness, and proper engagement...

    ...We should encourage people to go into dressage to learn proper riding and training of horses...
    Please remember dressage is ONE way of riding and training horses. Those who prefer a forward seat still work on suppleness, softness,and what we consider to be proper engagement. Those of us who prefer a forward seat look very different from a dressage rider, and most western riders using a western saddle tree look different as well - but the differences are intentional and not improper.

    Sorry to detour the thread, and I agree that lower level training in dressage ought to work fine for most horses. However, if the local dressage instructor doesn't want to work with a person and their horse, it is OK to find an instructor from other riding disciplines to work with one instead. Although it isn't always obvious from YouTube videos, a barrel racing background can include learning a lot about collection, balance and working with the horse properly.

    In some locations, your best bet can be to find a good instructor, and not worry about a specific discipline until later. There are not many dressage instructors near where I live, and I wouldn't blame them if the good ones wanted to focus on those horses and riders who would want to continue and compete above the basic level. The lady who broke Mia came from a barrel racing background, but her focus was on getting Mia to understand what was being asked and to stay calm while doing it. She also gave us a bunch of exercises we could do to work on Mia's flexibility and a modest degree of collection.
         
        11-10-2013, 04:19 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    Funny, seems many Western and Gaited riders feel that a Dressage seat is a correct seat, namely ear, shoulder, hip and heel in a straight vertical line. Except a forward seat, of course. My horse is in a much better frame when I sit properly vs chair seat.

    My horse alone has a much better flat/running walk if we warm up first with some basic Dressage. My goal for her is to learn to carry herself well, and gait well. Now that she understands hand separate from leg, she's doing a really nice leg yield-with ears flopping!

    I do think of Dressage as building blocks. Performing movements correctly and building on those previous blocks.
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        11-12-2013, 08:18 PM
      #27
    Foal
    Some of the gaited breed shows are offering gaited dressage classes at their recognized shows. I'd have to drive over several state lines to get to one. I'm not that ambitious to show. In the mean time I enjoy showing my TWH at local USDF schooling shows using the gaited dressage tests. I like getting feedback on where we are at in our training.

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        11-14-2013, 11:55 AM
      #28
    Yearling
    Yesterday she went and took a lesson with the dressage instructor on the instructor's horse. But the lesson was in a jumping saddle. I really don't understand that, especially when my friend has always ridden with a longer leg. Go figure
         
        11-14-2013, 12:13 PM
      #29
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        11-15-2013, 09:29 AM
      #30
    Foal
    Wow, I'd be very upset if I went for a dressage lesson and was put in a forward jump saddle. If you were working on dressage principles for a jumper that is one thing, but to go for a dedicated dressage lesson than I find the jumping saddle wildly inappropriate.
         

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