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    11-15-2013, 10:02 PM
*sigh* Unfortunately this situation can happen in any discipline, Dressage just seems to cop the most flock publicly. So, you're friend may have bumped into one not so great Dressage trainer.
I bumped into a reiner who beat the bejeebus out of his horses.... ALL reiners must beat their horses.
I also know a showjumper who competed at the Olympics, who makes every horse she rides stand on it's back legs. Therefore, every elite showjumper rides their horse so handy that they are forced to rear...
Just like ALL Dressage riders and trainers are elitist snobs.
And all police are corrupt.
And all people from the Middle-East are dangerous.
And all American's are overweight and loud mouthed.
And all Australian's wear Khaki and talk like Steve Irwin.....

Get my drift?

Don't base your entire opinion on a single person of the hundreds of thousands of others involved in the discipline.
I love Dressage, I train in it, I compete in it, I occasionally instruct it. It is a wonderful discipline but yes, some horses just can't do it do the level that their rider wants. The warmblood snobbery is ludicrous, I saved and worked my backside off to pay for my warmblood as a weanling - just like someone will work their butt off and save like crazy to buy a top quality quarter horse youngster, or friesian youngster, or arab youngster etc.
I started out with ottbs, an appy x, a few tbx's, a lease wb that was the spawn of the devil and a few others before I started to ride some nice horses.
The idea that anyone who owns a warmblood and rides Dressage is a snob revolts me.
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    11-15-2013, 10:36 PM
As an aside...

Originally Posted by Kayty    
And all police are corrupt.
^^ Next to WB snobbery, this statement coming out of peoples mouths is the second most irritation provoking statement to me haha. I'm constantly arguing with people about how the police really are not all awful and corrupt people and slowly learning to tune it out (half the time it's to my father!). Of course none of these people have spent a shift out with the police. But I must be biased because I want to join the service! I hope your training with the police is going well Kayty!
    11-16-2013, 03:36 AM
You know, I have a book on English riding, a pretty good book in my opinion, at least for someone like me who isn't very familiar with English riding, and I heard all the same things......that dressage benefits all horses and riders and is a good foundation for all types of riding, blah blah blah! Books really do preach that.

And then you get out in the real world (or at least on forums such as this) and find out that no, people really don't ride their existing horse in dressage. It isn't about communicating better with YOUR horse after all!

Apparently dressage is all about buying the right horse and getting the right trainer so you can win at shows. Who'd of thought?

I guess I am kind of naive. I think it would be kind of quaint if people tried to build the relationship with the horse they already have (such as the original poster's GF) than think of it as another form of competition where we have to buy just the perfect horse to keep up with the Jones's.

I mean, if someone has the ability to buy the perfect horse and reach the top levels, then go for it! But what about those of us with common horses who just want to better our relationship and communication with them? It's kind of a turn-off when people tell you you're horse can't do dressage. Especially when you aren't out to compete, but just to ride better. Right?

I mean, I really want it to be like that book that said that dressage benefits all horses and riders. I feel like my bubble has been burst and the dressage folks really are snobs after all. (This is a UK based book by the way, maybe the are more open minded over there?)
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    11-16-2013, 04:08 AM
At the risk of beating this to death, I'm just going to quote Kayty because I'd just be reiterating what she said:

Originally Posted by Kayty    
I started out with ottbs, an appy x, a few tbx's, a lease wb that was the spawn of the devil and a few others before I started to ride some nice horses.
The idea that anyone who owns a warmblood and rides Dressage is a snob revolts me.
Emphasis on the second sentence there.

While we're at it...I jumped for half my riding "career" before switching the dressage. For what it's worth, I found the jumper people in my area and the barns I was a *much* worse from being cliquey to standoffish to downright snobs (among other things I can't say). I've encountered way fewer in the dressage circuit. It happens everywhere, in every discipline. So why is there so much emphasis on dressage folk being snobs?! Some are indeed snobs, others are not. As Kayty showed, we can make blanket prejudiced/stereotyped statements about anything or anyone - it doesn't make it true. I just can't wrap my head around this whole "dressage = snobs" thing. Maybe we should stop defending our sport as it only seems to make the negative viewpoint of others worse!

And let me reiterate - I started dressage with an Appaloosa. Got to second level. Retired him. Picked up my grade pony, did FEI juniors against many proven small tour or better FEI WBs and won a regional championship against them, and up to 4th level on him and hope to do FEI small tour. Who said you can't do dressage with YOUR horse and that you have to buy a WB to do it? I did plenty of dressage on perfectly AVERAGE horses (and got perfectly average scores)that certainly we're not purchased for the sport.

I digress...
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    11-16-2013, 06:33 AM
*smacks forehead* A case of selective hearing or in this case reading if I ever saw one.
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    11-16-2013, 06:44 AM
Wait, how did this get to a discussion of warmblood snobbery and bad stereotypes? Jeezo. All the OP did was whinge that an individual instructor said she couldn't teach their gf on her gaited horse. Not all instructors, not all dressage people, just this one person, who apparently (they says) knew beforehand that the horse was a gaited Tennessee Walker. Plenty of other trainers would be happy to work with this horse and rider on the basics of dressage, if that's what they want to do. They just got unlucky.
    11-16-2013, 10:45 AM
Trailhorserider... I think you need to reread the whole thread...
    11-16-2013, 11:33 AM
Hey, did you happen by chance to see at what time of the morning I wrote that? Sorry to offend. It was late, I was tired. I don't even ride english. I just want the world to be this happy place where people are happy with the horse(s) they already have. That's what the books tell me anyway. :)
    11-16-2013, 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by Zexious    
Trailhorserider... I think you need to reread the whole thread...
I did. I read stuff like this:

Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
If you want a gaited instructor, ride with a gaited instructor.

I don't know where this belief that dressage is the best form of riding and only dressage folks know what they are talking about came from? There are plenty of awful dressage instructors and even more great h/j, reining, barrel, gaited, breed, etc.. focussed instructors.

So don't slam the dressage instructor for showing up to a dressage lesson expecting a dressage horse.

I also don't see anyone slamming the Arab circuit for only having Arabs able to show, or that jumper shows are mean because they expect a horse to be able to jump! USDF and the FEI exist to regulate sport. Don't like the sport? Do another. Take your gaited horse in a hunter ring and see how that turns out. Bet you won't pin there either - but that's fine because hunters are what? Expected to not be accepting? Steeped in "tradition"?
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It's sort of like, if your not like us, you don't fit in, go somewhere else?

Hey, it doesn't matter anyway. It's not like I am going to take up dressage or Dressage anytime in the near future.
    11-16-2013, 12:00 PM
I just find it strange when folks say that dressage is a foundation for all other riding types. By extension a GP dressage horse should win in every other discipline. It should be the fastest barrel racer, the best jumper, have the longest slide, be the fittest endurance horse, etc... But we know this to be false, so why is the misinformation still spread?
Good riding is the basis for good riding. And a good riding instructor in any discipline will be able to teach you basics. In the case of a gaited horse, maybe a dressage focussed instructor is not this person.

Either we can all accept this logic or y'all can bow to me and kiss my feet because I have a horse who does ones and piaffe/passage. Because dressage is the basis of all riding, and by extension a GP dressage rider must be the best rider evar.... Right?
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