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post #51 of 66 Old 11-09-2013, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny View Post
As long as the trail was straight and flat
Actually my standardbred was an awesome trail horse. Very sure footed and steady on my mountain trails.

It was only on the old railroad bed made with old fashioned river gravel and sand where I opened her up. Most of my trails are old logging roads, snowmobile trails and goat paths that wind up and down the mountains. Very few straight shots.

My walker is shaping up to equally as sensible but we are still pretty much in the walk, walk, walk stage. That darn thing called a job gets in the way.
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post #52 of 66 Old 11-09-2013, 12:09 PM
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I was going to ask if you only run your horse full blast on trails, I hear it's the new thing to do .
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post #53 of 66 Old 11-09-2013, 12:47 PM
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I spent most of my riding life in the UK where we have to ride on roads a lot of the time. Trotting on hard roads is all part of getting your horses legs fit for a days hunting where you'll be trotting and often cantering on roads for long periods.
If the build up is done correctly and the horses ridden considerately then it does no harm to them
On the other hand the people in the videos remind me more than a bit of the Irish gypsies who road race and there is nothing considerate about what they do to their horses. No one in their right mind in the UK knowingly buys a horse/pony that's been road raced like that as the odds that it will have bone or joint damage, navicular or concussion related laminitis are pretty high
There are good and bad people in all disciplines
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post #54 of 66 Old 11-09-2013, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bbsmfg3 View Post
Don't knock it until you've tried it. We have a 36 mph speed racker. It is addicting. You just don't ask for these speeds just any where. The blacktop is probably one of the safer places, ie, it is usually smooth and fairly straight. And you don't travel at these speeds for very long at a time. I've seen a whole lot fewer accidents with the speed rackers than with the gaming QH, And 1000's of time fewer than with the racing QHs.

You think Reverend Homer is breath taking, look up Falcon Rowdy on youtube. Johnny is riding him bareback, with one hand(he lost one arm in an accident) and he is hitting speeds in the low 50 mph range.

Speed rackers do not hit the ground hard. If they did they'd drive you right down thru the saddle. The are light on their feet, or they could not travel at these speeds.
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post #55 of 66 Old 11-09-2013, 12:56 PM
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Surely, anyone posting a video showing speed is going to do it on the road. Doesn't mean that they do it all the time. I'm sure most of those owners don't want a lame horse.
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post #56 of 66 Old 11-09-2013, 10:25 PM
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While I don't do speed racking, I do have a naturally racking OTSTB trotter. 95% of all riding speed rackers is in fields and dirt roads, most do asphalt only to show off the foot fall and to show speed. When done properly riding even fast on a road is OK as long as it is not done too much.

My Standard loves moving out at a nice clip, without urging we've clocked him at 18 mph and that was not asking for any speed. He was trotting 32mph on the track so he could speed rack in the 20's if we trained for it.
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what a neat video of the Johnny Falcon horse. He looked really happy in what he was doing.
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post #58 of 66 Old 11-11-2013, 09:48 AM
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We went foxhunting at East Fork Stables on Saturday. I was riding "Second Field" (we follow the First Field that follows the hounds). We covered 12-14 miles in just under 2.5 hrs. That's a fairly aggressive pace. Perhaps 4-5 miles was on a hard-pan gravel road. I'd say 10% of our time was at the walk, 40% in gait, and the rest at the canter/gallop. Hunting East Fork means a lot of time in the woods (maybe 1/3) where the trails can be anything from well kept to dirt tracks. Our field did not go into the woods; First Field did and scared up, among other things, 4 LARGE wild sows and 40 or so piglets. Last time it was a couple of black bear. Coyote are common. Hunting East TN is nothing if not diverse.

I noted no issues doing lots of gaiting and galloping on the hard surface road. No lameness/sorness issues afterwards. My mare is trimmed to anatomical correctness and shod normally to protect the trim. When we are gaiting I want her in correct form (not a "show" form, but carrying herself and fully engaging her back end; I don't want her "pulling" herself along on her front legs). I also keep her "together" when moving at the canter/gallop. If she gets "strung out" she loses efficiency, balance, and can take a spill. That would be very bad for both of us.

Fast work on a hard surface is not a death sentence for the horse.

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post #59 of 66 Old 11-16-2013, 02:08 AM
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I've been admiring speed rackers for ages.......on You-tube. I don't know of any around here as I am in Quarter Horse country. But it never even occurred to me that anyone would think it cruel. I mean, the horses are naturally gaited.

I have been interested in gaited horses ever since I met my neighbor with Fox Trotters. I have a Fox Trotter now and while she is definitely NOT a speed racker, I have a blast gaiting her out on the trails at various speeds. So I have been eying those speed racker for a while now on You-tube. It looks totally addictive!!!

Now I of course would want a well-rounded horse that is also happy to walk and gait slow. Because I am a trail rider and most of the places I ride don't have the footing for fast speeds. But in the places that do, I would love to riding a racking horse. What a total rush!
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post #60 of 66 Old 11-16-2013, 12:04 PM
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"Now I of course would want a well-rounded horse that is also happy to walk and gait slow"

My rule of thumb is 10 hours of walking for every 1 hr of speed racking. Seldom are they good speed rackers if they are not very competitive. As such, you have to be very careful to let them know, it is only when you ask for speed, that they give it to you. I have one that I never let lead when we are speeding down the trail. He is always at least one nose back, otherwise, he will run away with you in a heart beat. But keep him one nose back and he is easy to handle 100% of the time. You can ride him with very light, little finger contact all of the time.

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