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  • Can i register my rocky mountain horse
  • Rocky mountain horse history inbreeding

 
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    06-13-2009, 01:17 PM
  #11
Weanling
I said nothing about unregistered rockies. So don't put words in my mouth. There's nothing wrong with an unregistered rocky so long as it has 2 rocky parents. My point is that Kentucky lets anything in. They let saddlebreds in, morgans, tennessee walkers, pretty much anything that has the height and gait, even half breed horses, that are half rocky and half something else. Appendix's .. I guess they're referred to. Grant it some rockies are registered with Kentucky if they do not meet all the requirements but my point is.. there are alot of horses in the association that arnt even rocky. You can even register a horse with kentucky as foundation without there being any parents associated with the association. I think that it's abit irresponsible on their part. It's not preserving the breed. It's ruining it.

I don't believe that the RMHA is totally in the right either. I don't think they shouldve closed the books so early and I don't think they should breed for consecutive chocolates but they do. Most of the horses in the association are usually as close to the real mccoy as possible although they do let horses in occassionally that should not be bred and pass on their genes. Temperment and Gait is the most important thing in the horse, but somewhere along the lines Silver Dapple has become more important and they have tossed out some of the good qualities that rockies are known for. I do believe that they should let half breeds in occassionally to widen the gene pool, so long as they have one rocky parent but I do believe it's irresponsible to let anything in.
     
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    06-13-2009, 02:35 PM
  #12
Showing
Did you read anything that I posted? The Kentucky association requires DNA testing for the foundation genetics same as the Rocky association. The mares have to be certified to breed same as the Rockies. I Don't believe I mentioned anything about an unregistered Rocky either. My main point is your statement that "Kentucky Mountain Horses are not the same as Rockies! That is an outrage." is a total untruth. They come from the same foundation stock. Lets face it the basic rocky, kentucky, mountain horse from eastern kentucky started by Sam Tuttle are all the same foundation horses
The Kentucky stallion books are closed. As stated above "Appendix Mares for the KMSHA registry are open and consideration will be given to outside mares for registry who meet the standard of the breed as stated above. These mares are not restricted from showing but are required to have all male offspring gelded, while a female offspring derived from a registered/certified KMSHA Stallion may receive full registration."
They don't "just let anything in" but I believe by doing this they are widening the gene pool to improve the breed.
I'm sorry but the snobbery of the Rocky association and some of its members is driving many average people away. I've been to many shows where both groups are present. The Rocky group would drown if it rained their noses are so far up in the air.

I'd like to see someone try to register a TWH as a KMSH it ain't going to happen
     
    06-13-2009, 10:24 PM
  #13
Yearling
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Originally Posted by mountainhorse44    
I don't believe that the RMHA is totally in the right either. I don't think they shouldve closed the books so early and I don't think they should breed for consecutive chocolates but they do. Most of the horses in the association are usually as close to the real mccoy as possible although they do let horses in occassionally that should not be bred and pass on their genes. Temperment and Gait is the most important thing in the horse, but somewhere along the lines Silver Dapple has become more important and they have tossed out some of the good qualities that rockies are known for.

That's funny, I remember reading somewhere that Rocky breeders had decided not to breed silver dapples together anymore in order to avoid ASD. I'm pretty sure it was a Canadian web site but I can't find it now. Oh well.
     
    06-15-2009, 09:58 AM
  #14
Weanling
No they still do.. both of my horse's parents were both silver dapple. As was his grandparents too. There was a mare I was looking at.. EVERY horse in her pedigree was silver dapple, every horse. I was advised to stay away from her.. by some people concerned about her eyes. The 4 year old gelding that we just put a down payment on.. both of his parents are silver dapple, but he is black so does not carry the gene. Some people put color above quality and will pay more for a chocolate horse.
     
    06-16-2009, 05:45 AM
  #15
Foal
Hey - appreciate all the information and passion about these mountain horses. It is encouraging - afterall passion means love!

I have been doing some research in prep for my trip and found that the facts are clear that the Rocky Mountain and Kentucky Mountain horses come from the same linage. They were breed and raised in the Applachian Mountains in Eastern Kentucky. The various mountain horse registries (including Rocky Mountain Horse Association) agree that the breed orginated from a stallion they called the "Rocky Mountain Stud Colt" who in the 1800s was bred to Kentucky Mountain Saddle mares. These horses were bred to fit the life style of the local Kentucky people. In 1946 a young man, Sam Tuttle, bred his mountain mare to a stallion owned by an outside breeder named George Hines. The resulting colt he named Tobe. Sam Tuttle bred his Rocky Mountain horses to outside gaited horses in order to preserve the breed. Sam ran the trail riding concession in western Kentucky's Natural Bridge State park which exposed these wonderful Mountain horses to a wider audience. In 1986 the Rocky Mountain Horse Association registry was established and Tobe was claimed as the foundation stallion. Three years later the Mountain Pleasure Horse and Kentucky Mountain Saddle Horse associations were started (seemingly due to a political differences) and they claimed old Tobe as the foundation.

Interestingly, the RMHA registery was open (allowing foals with only 1 rocky mountain horse to be registered as Rocky Mountain) until fairly recently therefore you will find TWH, Saddlebred, MFT & unknown horse breeds in Rocky pedigrees. The other two associations are still open to other gaited breeds due to the risk of inbreeding.

All of the associations require DNA and gait to be proven in order to breed and register a horse (which is very important). I am sorry but the actual difference I see in the registries seems somewhat superficial (height and color (RMHA does not allow white stockings above the knee and bald faces)).

I am interested in a sure footed gaited horse with a willing disposition who will be a companion on the trails. I believe in good breeding (I want a registered horse since a natural gait is genetic and therefore it is worth cost to spend extra to gain proven history of gaited genetics). But I don't think I will limit my selection to Rocky Mountain Horse registry - I want to consider their cousins as well - and hopefully I will find one that I can bring home. Wish me luck, I leave on Friday!
     
    06-16-2009, 09:34 AM
  #16
Foal
Good Luck to Western Girl....You did alot of great research and it is wise not to just limit your search on Rocky only. Like you said due to color limitations some horses can only be registered Kentucky or due to paperwork time frames maybe it wasn't done by a certain time frame and then couldn't.....none the less I am confident that you will learn and enjoy your time looking! I am sure that you will find a willing and sure footed and well gaited horse- Can't wait to hear how your trip goes. (AND pictures!)

I will be leaving to with my Rocky/Kentucky mare for southern Indiana on a gaited horse ride.....I am sure that I will fall more in love with the breed!
     
    06-16-2009, 09:30 PM
  #17
Showing
Sorry for the emotional outburst westerngirl. I am passionate about my horses. I just came in from giving my mare a bath and promising the others one tomorrow. Vida is my friend, my companion, my neck to cry on when no human will do. Her daughter (Saro in my sig) has the same gentle old soul in a younger body. They are all dear to me. (Fras and Shiloh are hubbys). They all have the easy going nature of the breed. They are willing trial mounts who will give you their heart as they steal yours.
Have a safe trip.
     
    06-16-2009, 11:06 PM
  #18
Weanling
Well.. They all have different personalities. Mine as a 4 year old and now is a little higher strung then the one we're getting ready to buy. He has alot more go and likes to move out at a faster pace, gets impatient quickly and is alittle less tolerent of mixed cues. Whereas the 4 year old we are buying is very laid back and doesnt react to mixed cues. He's very, very mellow. Some of them do need more experienced riders, just like any other horse. Some are a little more lazy and wont work if they don't have to, some will. It all depends on the horse. Some will take advantage of you and some wont. The breeder we are going through, McGuire Farms, the lady says that some of her horses are not fit for timid or beginner riders, because they will take advantage of your timidness, some are very good with beginner riders. Some will respond more actively to mixed cues then others. She has a mare that is a very gentle, sound trail horse but if you don't know what your doing, she doesnt like to work and wont if she doesnt have to. She said that compared to other breeds they are considered to be more gentle and calm in nature but they are all different.
     

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