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        11-18-2013, 12:01 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    A am all for a ban on soring or stiffer regulations, or whatever. My issue whether you agree with the package or not is that in truth the package itself has nothing to do with soring, and the weighted shoes whether they be a plantation shoe, a set of pads or some of the shoes I have seen on Dressage horses are only a small part of the picture.

    I can see putting a weight limit on the shoes or the package a horse is shown in. I can see eliminating the chains, and I can certainly see stiffer punishment for soring, and more vigilant bans on soring and the people cought, but these witch hunts over shoes and scar rules are crazy. I have a weanling who can never be shown because he cought his foot in a gate and has a scar on his pastern. If I had this horse with a pro it could likely ruin someones career.

    I do not own or have any desire to own a padded horse, but I do support those who do, as long as it is done right, and don't fool your selves there are some who are doing it without soring.

    Jim
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        11-18-2013, 12:08 PM
      #12
    Super Moderator
    When there is so much being done to encourage people to have their horses barefoot as much as possible and wherever possible because its healthier for the horses feet how can having these elongated hooves, pads and built up weighted shoes not be causing long term problems?
    It all done for 'fashion' - to create an artificial high knee action that serves no actual purpose at all other than to look 'flashy'
    And that goes for all the breeds that do it
         
        11-18-2013, 06:10 PM
      #13
    Started
    http://chattanoogan.com/2013/11/18/2...raws-Fury.aspx

    Another Roy Exum article
         
        11-18-2013, 06:52 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimmyp    
    A am all for a ban on soring or stiffer regulations, or whatever. My issue whether you agree with the package or not is that in truth the package itself has nothing to do with soring, and the weighted shoes whether they be a plantation shoe, a set of pads or some of the shoes I have seen on Dressage horses are only a small part of the picture.

    I can see putting a weight limit on the shoes or the package a horse is shown in. I can see eliminating the chains, and I can certainly see stiffer punishment for soring, and more vigilant bans on soring and the people cought, but these witch hunts over shoes and scar rules are crazy. I have a weanling who can never be shown because he cought his foot in a gate and has a scar on his pastern. If I had this horse with a pro it could likely ruin someones career.

    I do not own or have any desire to own a padded horse, but I do support those who do, as long as it is done right, and don't fool your selves there are some who are doing it without soring.

    Jim
    Sadly, there is no "right" way to do it. The "package," in and of itself, causes long and short term injury.

    G.
         
        11-19-2013, 07:09 AM
      #15
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Guilherme    
    Sadly, there is no "right" way to do it. The "package," in and of itself, causes long and short term injury.

    G.
    I'm not entirely convinced. I field trial with a lot of guys from TN and NC who are riding ex padded horses a few that were in stalls on pads until 10ish and are now 20 and don't seem to show any real I'll effects. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying I've seen evidence both ways, but no more than any other discipline.

    Jim
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        11-19-2013, 08:10 AM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Marsha Blackburn is really a pretty smart woman IMO. When I see her, I'll ask her about it.

    While we all want the abuse stopped, over regulation isn't the answer.
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        11-19-2013, 09:15 AM
      #17
    Yearling
    I remain convinced that the Big Lick process, which commonly starts by putting yearlings in "colt packages," is damaging to the horse in and of itself.

    Here's a photo of a Big Lick horse.

    http://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net...51709635_o.jpg

    I'd be interested in hearing just how this movement can be "benign."

    The physics and equine biomechanics of "nailing" the foot to the ground while the horse is moving (which is what the "package" does) confirms for me that the process is never benign. This does not mean that some former BL horses can have "after lives." For those that do, I'd be interested in seeing how much Bute (or other pain killers) are routinely administered to keep the horses sound. Of whether the owners just ride them sore.

    When your interests are being adversely affected it's very easy to cry "over-regulation." I'm sure the TN Congressional delegation is getting a real "ear full" from people who will lose a lot of money if the BL process is outlawed. This loss is quite real. Is the loss acceptable in a broader context? IMO, yes. But, then, I don't own any BL horses. If I did my answer might change.

    G.
         
        11-19-2013, 09:58 AM
      #18
    Super Moderator
    Its my understanding (I could be wrong) that once any horse has these padded and raised shoes on elongated hooves they stay on for the whole of that show season which means they can't enjoy any free time in the field as a normal horse - which also can't be any good for the circulation needed to promote healthy feet
         
        11-19-2013, 10:50 AM
      #19
    Weanling
    I just read a huge conversation on one of the TWH pages on FB about the hyperextension of the BL VS. Say Dressage, a racing QH or TB and pacers, and to be honest there isnt much difference, it all depends on when the picture is taken and the angle from which it is taken, depending which side you want to argue. I have seen these "evil" packages, and have handled them and they ranged in weight from 1-2 lbs up to MAYBE 5ish. Yes the 5lb package would provide some stress to tendons but these horses are built up to the packages and conditioned to them. So its not just like they are nailed on one day and expected to go.

    As far as these horses being stalled all the time and getting no chance to be horses. I believe you would be suprised how many horses are stalled all the time, other than to be worked out or ridden, Id say that there are many here who board their horses that may only get out of the stall to be ridden or worked. That is certainly not unique to performance walking horses.

    Jim
         
        11-19-2013, 11:05 AM
      #20
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimmyp    
    I just read a huge conversation on one of the TWH pages on FB about the hyperextension of the BL VS. Say Dressage, a racing QH or TB and pacers, and to be honest there isnt much difference, it all depends on when the picture is taken and the angle from which it is taken, depending which side you want to argue. I have seen these "evil" packages, and have handled them and they ranged in weight from 1-2 lbs up to MAYBE 5ish. Yes the 5lb package would provide some stress to tendons but these horses are built up to the packages and conditioned to them. So its not just like they are nailed on one day and expected to go.

    As far as these horses being stalled all the time and getting no chance to be horses. I believe you would be suprised how many horses are stalled all the time, other than to be worked out or ridden, Id say that there are many here who board their horses that may only get out of the stall to be ridden or worked. That is certainly not unique to performance walking horses.

    Jim
    I'm sure the BL advocates are trucking out the tried and true "every breed has it's dark side" defense. That is probably even true. It does not, IMO, excuse or give a "pass" to anybody's dark side. Indeed, it's "sand box reasoning" that's common among five year olds ("Johhny played the fool; why can't I?"). I would hope that adults get past this; if they don't then they are not very adult.

    It's not the weight of the package that is the issue. It's the MOVEMENT that the package causes. The photo dramatically shows one aspect of that movement. As for the "it happens in other breeds" defense how about we ask the advocates of such defense for photos of this sort thing in other breeds? Mind you, if we get them it doesn't really make any difference. Idiocy among, say, dressage riders, is not a license for idiocy among TWH riders.

    Frankly, turn out is not required for healthy horse. A healthy horse will likely be a "happy horse" (which, of course, presumes a fact not in evidence, I.e., that horses can ever be "happy"). A complaint about "lack of turnout" is a "red herring."

    G.
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